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who hasn't heard of travis walton please

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leave okay come on you've got to have

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all right i asked these kind of

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questions because it gives me an idea on

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where to pitch

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the lecture

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seriously about what kind of level i'm

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dealing with in terms of your knowledge

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um so

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nil

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for the lady on the front row sorry

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don't want to point i would never point

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you out but the lady in the glasses on

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who has had to travel the furthest

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distance to get here anybody over 30

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20 miles

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welcome to the 11th meeting of suffon

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all right let's kill the music

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all right tonight we're very privileged

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to have the company of mr gary hassell

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time

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gary had his own personal ufo sighted in

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1975.

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six thank you

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and this was to have a profound effect

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on his life is that right yes okay

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gary like myself is a retired police

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officer he had a total of 22 years

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until you're asleep

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i've spent much of the time as a

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detective

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19 years so he's well used to

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interviewing people and recording

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statements

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now i'm sure like myself after this much

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experience he clearly possesses good

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judgment as to whether he's being told

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the truth or being lied to

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now in 2002 we founded the prufoss

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database which caters for serving and

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retired british police ufo sighting

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reports

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he's the founder and editor of ufo truth

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magazine and was the former editor of

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the online publication ufo monthly dot

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com

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as well as the former co-editor of ufo

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data magazine

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now in 2010 at washington dc was

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presented with a disclosure award by

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stephen bassett's prg group

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and in 2012 was awarded the exopolitics

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group award

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yeah

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he regularly gives talks and discussions

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worldwide on the subject of ufos and for

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many years he's been working closely

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with the retired colonel charles hult to

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piece together britain's most famous ufo

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case which was the rendulcham forest

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incident of december 1980

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gary has undoubtedly become one of

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britain's most renowned ufo

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investigators and whilst he's probably

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used to giving talks at far larger

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venues than ours i'm absolutely

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delighted that he's traveled so very far

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to be able to join us here this evening

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so without further ado please give a

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warm soofan welcome to mr gary hasselton

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thank you

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what a lovely warm welcome carry on if

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you will

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now it was a lovely welcome thank you

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very much um

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i do lecture all around the country it's

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the first time i've ever lectured in

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so this is uh good for me

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so it goes on to my cv of countries that

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uh now lectured him which is about 15

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so i'm pleased and honored to be here in

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swansea

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on a serious note

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was mentioned i had a childhood titan

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when i was 16.

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you were right for many years i put it

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out that i was 15.

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but then a chance meeting

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with my former best friend from school

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who i hadn't seen in over

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around girlfriends of the time

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he actually said no that was the summer

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of 76

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when you were going out with a slur

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so it wasn't 75 or 76

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august 76 all right so that's why it's

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changed so you were right and turned out

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to be wrong but it wasn't you right so

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basically who am i

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now as i asked in the kind of warm-up

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there's quite a lot of you who've never

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heard of me or seen seen me before

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so in all seriousness i'll give you a

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bit of background um

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two thirds of that was spent what's

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called wire walking was called sd-814

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just put your hands up if you've heard

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of the rendelsham forest incident

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well that's quite a lot then even the

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people uh who don't know me right well

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regulation forest is arguably the

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world's best case

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it's up there arguably the world's best

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because it happened over three

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consecutive nights multiple military

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uh ground trace evidence radar evidence

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lots and lots of detail but i'm not here

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to talk about that as such

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the job that they did

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those us air force police officers with

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the direct equivalent of what i did in

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the royal air force police

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the design of the what was called in the

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raf the supplementary storage area which

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is exactly the same layout

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exactly the same layout as the uh what

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exactly the same and and on my lecture

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on reynoldshum i've got a photograph

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where i went back

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after the base clause and i was allowed

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to go into this restricted area which

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microwaved alarmed fences

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so many guns pointing at you and i was

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just able to walk in and take some

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photographs it was bizarre but it's

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exactly the same design

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and after four years became a detective

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i didn't want to go higher in the police

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because i didn't like the bureaucracy

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people suspects and witnesses so i

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as time went on that was my bag as it

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were so i i was trained as high as you

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a sixth sense for when somebody's

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telling you the truth

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natural skill in terms of interviewing

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a good interviewer you've got to have a

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natural flair

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uh when i retired in 2013. i could have

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uh something compelled me to retire

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early and the circumstances with my

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second wife financially meant

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that i could retire early with my lunch

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that i took a chance and thought i'm

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going to follow my passion and try to

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make a difference

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that was my way of trying to do it

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something a bit different

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now i started my active research

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when i launched the proof force police

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14 years on i've now got over 550 cases

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and i'm writing the book about them now

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can't find a publisher anywhere

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about how mainstream are not interested

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and it doesn't

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make sense

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if you're doing well at something

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you normally get more attention

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but when i started the database in 2002

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the national media were very interested

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after two or three years they don't want

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even though the numbers are going up by

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don't make sense is it unless

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you logically think that somebody

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doesn't want this kind of credible

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information to get out

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okay hence one of those frustrations as

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the beauty of the magazine is that

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there's no overheads

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none of the experts that write columns

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are getting paid they all do it

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voluntarily because they're supporting

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my idea

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but this is where you come in because

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i ring fence a third of all monies come

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for ufo causes

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booking international flights for

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speakers and things like that hotels i

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picked up all that magazine so in a

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sense that created the funding mechanism

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but if we had thousands and thousands of

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people around the world buying into an

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which you can just get by email it's so

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if we had thousands

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all around the world drop in the ocean

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for the amount of hits but people are

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reluctant to pay in reality for

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something that they can't physically

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hold

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even though

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ebooks have taken over

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from uh

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the printed word

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in on amazon things like that in terms

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of sales

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there's still a reluctance but people

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can't people want to change and people

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want to have

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um some impact

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and i say to people in the audience

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well the idea of a third of all monies

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being ring fence for ufo causes could do

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that

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because if you have lots of people doing

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it then you you're gonna pay for a lot

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more than one conference or two

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conferences you can then start taking

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full-page ads out in national newspapers

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where we don't need a reporter to tell

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us the facts we can just put the facts

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in the newspaper and buy it can you

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imagine having a for paying five grand

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and say

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i want to page in the times

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won't need an article then would we

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need a reporter to put their own bias on

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it we just put facts and figures out at

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a full page spread that's what we could

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do in time and people want to make a

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difference well the difference is you

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pay you

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40 pence a week

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is what it works out

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the more people subscribe the more that

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pot of money is causes i gave money

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towards lloyd pies cancer fee

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i gave donations to various documentary

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features cosmic whistleblowers one about

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roswell the last roswell dick

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give donations so it's already working

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but i get frustrated because

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people claim to be interested in this

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subject

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but if they were really interested

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they'd pay a few pence for the common

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name of their subject

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and i'm trying to do it not to make

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millions for me

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i'm not really interested i'm not

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selling dvds i've got some merchandise

344
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it just helps i'm not out to make a lot

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of money but i want to try to make a

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different

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difference in the way people perceive

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this subject

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because anybody who thinks that this is

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looney tune time

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which is what most people believe

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outside of this room

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then they're the ones who are sadly

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blindfolded

355
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well quite a lot of the people in this

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room said that they've never

357
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seen me before well that kind of tells

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me that they don't know

359
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that much about the subject

360
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because in britain they shouldn't kind

361
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of like recognize me as one of the heads

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of the subject in this country it kind

363
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of tells me that there's a

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disconnect

365
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that lots of people can go to a million

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websites on the internet and i get quite

367
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angry at this because they become what i

368
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call the armchair expert all right i've

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got that set yeah i've got that site

370
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they don't have to move the books

371
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at all

372
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but they

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take on the role of

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yeah i'm the expert

375
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and they become

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self-perpetuated because they then

377
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launch their own sites

378
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without ever doing any proper research

379
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without ever really knowing what's good

380
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and bad the weak from the chat

381
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and they put more disinformation out

382
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there

383
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so on the internet

384
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there are some very good websites but

385
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we've landed

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the majority are not very good because

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there's no evidential background to them

388
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and of course

389
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with my kind of background

390
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this is the only way i can present

391
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evidence

392
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through evidential eyes

393
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yeah yeah

394
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so that's the basis that i try to do it

395
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so what i'm trying to do is different

396
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from all of the other sites some are

397
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doing it similarly but they haven't got

398
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my kind of police background i know what

399
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evidence is and what would stand up in a

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court of law

401
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for example and you'll back me upon this

402
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if for example this is a former police

403
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officer

404
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if he was driving home tonight and he'd

405
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had him one too many drinks

406
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and he got pulled by the police if he

407
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want one of his mates who let him off

408
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but basically if he got pulled and they

409
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suspected to drink driving then ask him

410
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to do a break test an instant breath

411
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blow into this

412
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correct yeah

413
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if he blew positive

414
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on the little handle meter

415
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that say you're positive you're under

416
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arrest but then take him back to a

417
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police station a main police station and

418
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let's say blow into this big machine and

419
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you're over the limit

420
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what does it produce

421
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it produces a printout that says

422
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chemical analysis you are over the limit

423
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what goes to court as the evidence

424
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that convicts you of drink driving

425
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that piece of paper

426
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held up in cars a piece of documentary

427
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evidence

428
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that says on that day you blew positive

429
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now tell me what's the difference

430
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:02,320
between

431
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telemetry data from an f-16 chase in a

432
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ufo for 75 minutes

433
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in a dogfight over belgium

434
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where all of the

435
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cockpit instrumentation

436
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all of the dogfight was confirmed

437
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on seven different airports three

438
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military four civilian

439
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on all that telemetry data

440
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second by second over 75 minutes

441
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leads to a printout

442
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that you could put up in a hypothetical

443
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,399
court of law

444
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on the debate of ufo reality

445
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:45,519
and on that telemetry data it would say

446
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:47,519
that during that dog fight where two

447
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f-16s chasing the ufo

448
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basically at one point

449
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on several occasions but at one point

450
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it goes

451
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straight up in the air

452
00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:01,839
and jumps 5000 feet in three seconds

453
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straight up

454
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and then it does a sharp angle and drops

455
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down to the ground

456
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and at the bottom of the ground it then

457
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does a right angle turn

458
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an l-shape

459
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as it before impacting at the point it

460
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did the l-shape

461
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how many g's do you think he was pulling

462
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bear in mind the maximum for stealth

463
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,240
even now

464
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is 11 to 12 g's

465
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it was telemetry data 35 g's

466
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should that not be on the six o'clock

467
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news hard evidence no difference from

468
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that drink drive peace pepper

469
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:38,799
then you've got to ask yourself why

470
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is that not on the six o'clock yet

471
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so it's very easy to prove that there is

472
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a mainstream bias against the best

473
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evidence okay

474
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so that's the introduction so

475
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this is my take

476
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in the first hour just for those people

477
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who arrived late i'll let you off

478
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i'm sure you've got a long journey

479
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,799
but the order of player tonight is

480
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first hour

481
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:04,640
is this lecture circumstantial evidence

482
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case 3t extraterrestrial

483
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then we'll have a break

484
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and then i will talk i'll show you some

485
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video clips that i think are very

486
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,400
interesting talk about other things

487
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,559
and then finally we if we've got time

488
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we'll do some q a questions and answers

489
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okay

490
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so

491
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first part circumstantial evidence case

492
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piece of gadget switch on is it working

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oh my god it is right before i talk to

494
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you about

495
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ufos

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if i'm going to talk to you about

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evidence

498
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you've got to have a bit of an

499
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understanding of what evidence is in

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terms of what could get you into a court

501
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of law how you present the evidence

502
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well in reality there's only three

503
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basic forms of evidence

504
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there's real evidence which is called

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physical evidence

506
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it's called real evidence which is the

507
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gun the knife if you think of a murder

508
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scenario the murder weapon something

509
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:57,840
physical

510
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if i batter this lady with the glasses

511
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and you all witness it you'd see that

512
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and i murdered her with this fractured a

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skull then that would become the murder

514
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weapon yes

515
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that murder weapon would be held up in a

516
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murder trial as gh1 exhibit

517
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this was the implement used to stare

518
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this lady's heading

519
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absolutely true though that's what we do

520
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isn't it you've all seen the bill any

521
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,640
police document any police drama

522
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whilst they they don't present it very

523
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well that's the best rule

524
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so

525
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physical evidence anything that you can

526
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physically pick up tangible

527
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yeah

528
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even if it was you were hit by a

529
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:43,360
motorboat

530
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,559
in the water you're swimming in the

531
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paddling in spain

532
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and suddenly a motorboat goes past you

533
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,960
hit by the propeller and you you killed

534
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,799
well you can't physically pick the boat

535
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,840
up

536
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,280
bring it into court but what you can do

537
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,960
is take a photograph of the boat

538
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,640
photograph of the blades with the blood

539
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,280
on the blades blah blah blah that then

540
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:04,320
becomes the documentary evidence

541
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,400
that is produced in court this bought

542
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,039
the mary elizabeth hit this lady on such

543
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:11,200
a such a day and this was the forensic

544
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,640
blood analysis

545
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,559
of photographs of the blood on the

546
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,880
propeller blades etc that's how evidence

547
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,240
gets into court

548
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:20,480
so you've got the real evidence and then

549
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,000
we talked about documentary evidence

550
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,360
anything so if you think about fraud

551
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:30,080
yeah somebody's cloned your credit card

552
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:31,360
and then you look on your monthly

553
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:33,039
statement and see that six grams gone

554
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,159
you go worse i haven't done that we got

555
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,159
the bank somebody's climbed it that

556
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,559
produces a paper trail that evidence is

557
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:42,880
produced in court to get you your money

558
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:44,000
back

559
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,520
because you don't actually spend the six

560
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:47,440
run

561
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,440
that's the nature so physical evidence

562
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,600
documentary evidence anything in written

563
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:55,360
form

564
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:56,960
piece of paper

565
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,400
but the main

566
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,000
thing that we have

567
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all around the world

568
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:03,600
is down to

569
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which produces two things

570
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if i go back to the stove in this lady's

571
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,720
head just use it as an example i always

572
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:17,760
do this pick on something in a nice way

573
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:23,669
if i walked over to this lady now

574
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:24,720
shove that

575
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,600
stand overhead practice skull she dies

576
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:29,679
bleeds to death in this room i hope you

577
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,440
sleep okay tonight but basically if

578
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,590
what would likely happen you'd all go

579
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,200
what's he done

580
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,799
somebody probably wrestled me to the

581
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,200
ground arrest me citizen's arrest we

582
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,799
should be dead you'll have seen it you

583
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,240
become witnesses

584
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,760
to murder

585
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,880
yes

586
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,799
so what would happen police don't all

587
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,799
come in and go right uh what did you see

588
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,080
what did you see

589
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,400
they do but they never do it in a group

590
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:00,799
you're taking a side individually police

591
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,760
officer one to one tell what you saw

592
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:04,960
so you get

593
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:07,760
say there's 50 people in this room 50

594
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,360
different statements about what they saw

595
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,520
and each perception

596
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:15,039
of what you saw

597
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,080
will be

598
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,000
slightly different

599
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,559
perception is very

600
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:23,440
uh strange and the skeptics will say oh

601
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:25,039
chris french you've anybody seen me on

602
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,240
telly with chris

603
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,679
well-known skeptic

604
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,120
he didn't survive very well against me

605
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,280
but there you go

606
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,200
he will argue that oh it's just every

607
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,039
all you are for it's all people mistaken

608
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,880
psychology blah blah blah

609
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,280
but let's go back to our scenario now

610
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,880
you're all witnesses

611
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,280
but somebody in the back row

612
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,440
will not see as much as somebody

613
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,200
on the front row

614
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,840
does that make sense so your perception

615
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:51,600
will be slightly different but here's

616
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,840
the thing with

617
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,280
perception when we take our 50

618
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,039
statements

619
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:59,360
you'll all give

620
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,480
basically

621
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,360
wide descriptions of me

622
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,880
see if i've just done it and i won't

623
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,799
stood in front of you so you'd only see

624
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,120
me briefly

625
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,720
some would say i was black some would

626
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,320
say i was white some would say i was six

627
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,840
foot some would say i was six foot three

628
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,440
that's the perception errors that we

629
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:18,880
make

630
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,000
but you'd all say i saw a man stand up

631
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,240
and hit saw

632
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,280
him hit this woman with something

633
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,960
and she fell to the floor something like

634
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,000
that

635
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,640
so if we think about it whilst our

636
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,600
perceptions may vary a great deal in

637
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,000
terms of description physical

638
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:40,240
descriptions of a person

639
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,360
a place

640
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:43,120
somewhere good some are bad

641
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,559
the general story that man hits lady on

642
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,679
front row she collapses man runs off me

643
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,159
going out the back door kind of thing

644
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:54,400
the general story would be accurate from

645
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:57,679
the 50 witnesses but your perceptions in

646
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,799
terms of personal descriptions may vary

647
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,360
wildly

648
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:04,960
but this is what chris french and the

649
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,520
skeptics taught say that the general

650
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,919
story is accurate

651
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,760
and if you don't know the person sat

652
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,960
next to you

653
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,880
then you're what's called independent

654
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:16,480
witnesses

655
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,240
because you have no axe to grind you

656
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,000
just happen to be in the wrong place

657
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:24,480
wrong time and you see something

658
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,279
yeah

659
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,200
so if we get 50 people who don't know

660
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,279
each other who all give

661
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,679
raise somebody

662
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,120
then there's a pretty good case for me

663
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,039
saying i i'm up in court and i'm gonna

664
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:37,360
get found guilty and bring somebody

665
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,159
that's how we get evidences but when

666
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,480
we see something

667
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,080
and we give a statement do you write

668
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:46,000
your statement to the police no you

669
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,960
don't

670
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,039
why not because you're not trusted

671
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,000
because you don't know how to word it in

672
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,400
the right way for the judge

673
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,400
or the manchester

674
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,120
so there are rules and protocols

675
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,320
so a police officer takes your statement

676
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,320
gets your details

677
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,279
story in rough and then he writes it up

678
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,200
reads it back to you are you happy with

679
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:12,480
that if you are signed that declaration

680
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:17,200
so your initial witness testimony

681
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,720
then becomes documentary evidence

682
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,720
because it takes transcribed into

683
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,240
written form

684
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:26,000
and sometimes it's on audio sometimes

685
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,440
it's on video

686
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,279
in certain circumstances

687
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,440
so can you see what i mean

688
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,960
before i start talking to you about

689
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,400
evidence of what i think is evidence

690
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,919
that we stand up in the court of law

691
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,200
i've got to tell you a little about what

692
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,720
evidence is because you're probably not

693
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,559
aware of this it's things that you don't

694
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:43,440
even think about does that make sense

695
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,789
i was in crown court or this was about

696
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,640
15 years ago

697
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:55,120
and it was it was one of the first cases

698
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,200
of voyeurism not easy to say warriorism

699
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,120
where bloc could basically be

700
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,400
getting a girl drunk

701
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:05,919
who just happened to be sitting on a

702
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,559
train got a drunk applied to a drink

703
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,760
young girl he was not twice her age

704
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,200
she got that drunk and she went off to

705
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,720
the toilet he then followed her into the

706
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,760
toilet

707
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,000
and started taking photographs of her

708
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,679
in an undressed step

709
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,720
from the first warriorism case

710
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,039
and basically you're arrested and

711
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,400
it was all proven but at crown court

712
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,159
we got to talk about what's called the

713
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,799
circumstantial evidence case

714
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:34,880
rarely do police officers

715
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,480
have all the evidence to go to court we

716
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,600
have

717
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:42,080
pieces of a jigsaw

718
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,200
certain cases may be simpler

719
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:47,520
but in terms of criminal law

720
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,799
murder manslaughter that kind of thing

721
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,799
we really go to court

722
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,880
knowing all the facts

723
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,120
we go to the case with what's called a

724
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,600
circumstantial evidence case and what i

725
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,919
always made a note of it is what the

726
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:03,279
judge said

727
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:04,320
he said

728
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,200
people

729
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,880
get it wrong about circumstantial

730
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,640
evidence case they think it's not very

731
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:09,840
good evidence

732
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,919
he says that's wrong

733
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,080
and he gave a definition of what he

734
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,080
thought circumstantial evidence was and

735
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,799
he said if you have enough pieces of the

736
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,120
jigsaw

737
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,120
that you can put them together

738
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:26,159
to create an overwhelming and compelling

739
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,400
account of what's occurred

740
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,960
in which a judge jury can make

741
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,640
a determination

742
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,120
so does that make sense

743
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:37,360
so now let's kind of like

744
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,029
they've probably been around here for

745
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,960
thousands of years

746
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,799
but that's too long ago we can never

747
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,840
prove that so in the modern era where i

748
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,000
focus on we're talking really from the

749
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,480
second world war onwards

750
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,840
because we've got still people who are

751
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,399
around who give actual genuine accounts

752
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,919
from that time military records things

753
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,039
like that

754
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,520
so these are verifiable cases

755
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,320
it's not just some distant story we can

756
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,080
check

757
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,640
so when we come to the modern era it's

758
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,320
really from about the second world war

759
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,240
onwards

760
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:16,240
and this is what my evidence will be

761
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,440
based on

762
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,789
so what i would say is i will come to

763
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,279
the conclusion but bear that in mind

764
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,840
after 70 odd years

765
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,960
from probably 1940 onwards

766
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,039
is basically where we're going from

767
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,480
so we've now got 76 years from 1940

768
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,960
i've of some study been done by various

769
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,720
people around the world

770
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,679
of which to draw certain conclusions

771
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,600
building up this circumstantial picture

772
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,919
of what's going on does that make sense

773
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,799
yeah

774
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,799
okay

775
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:52,399
so i'm going to talk about just five

776
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,760
cases

777
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,480
that i think demonstrate what evidence

778
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,679
is

779
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,120
and what will stand up in a court of law

780
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,279
these are five viewer focus there's no

781
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,960
real great graphics with this so i'll

782
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,399
talk about them so you don't really need

783
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,240
to see the screen as such

784
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,159
i want to try to make it as simple as

785
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,919
possible

786
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,120
okay

787
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:13,360
the first case

788
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,120
is a world war two sighting over france

789
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,120
just a quick side how many people

790
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,279
realize that ufos were seen regularly

791
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,720
during the second world war put your

792
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,559
hand up in the air

793
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,080
put your hand down how many people

794
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,919
didn't realize that ufos were seen

795
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,960
during the second world war put your

796
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:30,399
hand up

797
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:34,080
maybe a few maybe after all right

798
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,039
now the the popular term for a ufo

799
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,279
sighting during the second world war was

800
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,279
foo fighters

801
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,000
however that's a bit of a misnomer

802
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,320
because people talk about balls of light

803
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,200
anywhere from the size of a

804
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:50,720
10 pence piece

805
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,399
basketball size up to ginormous

806
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,159
five times the size of a car balls of

807
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,960
light following military aircraft in all

808
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,279
theaters of war

809
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,600
and when planes tried to evade them

810
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,320
these objects could just maneuver right

811
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,080
around them just plain could never catch

812
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,679
them could never get clawed could never

813
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,520
shoot them down and yet none of these

814
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:13,840
objects ever attacked

815
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,720
and genuinely

816
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,200
when the british first saw them they

817
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,080
thought it was a new german weapon when

818
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,679
the germans saw them they thought it was

819
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,200
a british weapon

820
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:27,360
when the americans saw them in the

821
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,399
uh

822
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,360
in over japan and things like that

823
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,120
in the pacific they thought it was

824
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,880
japanese and similarly the japanese

825
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,440
thought it was american secret one

826
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,200
but he won

827
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,159
but not all of the sightings

828
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,919
were just little balls of light that

829
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,240
danced around planes

830
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,520
and this first case highlights

831
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,159
what most people don't realize

832
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,799
on the 11th of august 1944 can you hear

833
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,559
me at the back all right

834
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,240
do i need to go like that or can you

835
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,159
hear me all right

836
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,080
right okay i've got quite a loud voice

837
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,200
right the 11th of august 1944 return red

838
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,640
from france

839
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,640
crew of the lancaster bomber crew of

840
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:09,760
eight

841
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,200
tail gunner top one and bottom gunner

842
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,120
et cetera et cetera radio man pilot

843
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:17,840
corporal that kind of thing

844
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,360
the way back when they suddenly see

845
00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:23,279
this

846
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,520
now for yours you can't see it that's a

847
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,200
drawing made by one of the witnesses who

848
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,880
reported this case

849
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,039
the little black thing at the bottom

850
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,559
you stand up if you want at the back the

851
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,399
little black thing at the bottom i had

852
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,799
no idea that this screen was going to be

853
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,919
not to be

854
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,240
right he's a lancaster bomber

855
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:43,360
the big thing above it is a huge

856
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:49,669
and it's a lot bigger than the little

857
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,789
the lancaster bomber was one of the

858
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,960
largest four engine bombers of the

859
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,399
second world war

860
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,320
so generally a large aircraft of the

861
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,519
time

862
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,120
crew vape

863
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,799
and they said that this object pulled

864
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,559
alongside of them

865
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,080
as they're on the way back from a red

866
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:10,240
over france

867
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,909
it's got a row of windows

868
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,840
it's metallic looking

869
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:21,760
and it's got and it was estimated to be

870
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:25,360
at least 300 feet in diameter

871
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,029
so this is not your little ball of white

872
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:33,120
this is not something oh we're tired

873
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,000
whoa

874
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:36,880
this is something very real

875
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,919
that all eight crew saw

876
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,760
but strangely none of them had a sense

877
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,919
of panic

878
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:45,519
which is a bit bizarre really when you

879
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,559
think that in wartime

880
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,360
you have seconds literally a second or

881
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,080
two at most before you open your fight

882
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,679
your machine goes up

883
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,000
friend r4

884
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,480
shoot all be shot at

885
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,159
aircraft recognition

886
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,919
but all of them said that they didn't

887
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,399
have a sense of fear

888
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,559
so in 1942

889
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,559
a crew of eight see this

890
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:12,240
never seen anything like it when they

891
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:13,360
land

892
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,720
they get all debriefed individually

893
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,880
and there are records of this

894
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,519
and they tell exactly the same story

895
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,120
from their different aspects of where

896
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,039
they were in the play

897
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,200
corroborating each other so eight people

898
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,840
corroborating the same incident

899
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:31,519
that's down as a matter of a military

900
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:32,559
record

901
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,470
now why isn't the sighting like this for

902
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:40,240
the reality of something strange flying

903
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:44,159
in our airspace on the six o'clock news

904
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:47,360
we can't even build a 300 foot disc now

905
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,720
76 years 74 years later on

906
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,080
does that tell you that there's

907
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,159
something wrong about the way the media

908
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,480
reports in this subject

909
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,840
you don't need to be rocket science to

910
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,600
work this out

911
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,000
makes no sense otherwise just makes no

912
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:03,279
sense

913
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,799
so here we are in 1942

914
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,599
metallic disks 300 foot across the road

915
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,879
windows

916
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:12,399
let's go through a process of

917
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,430
was there any other 300-foot disc flying

918
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:24,320
around by the americans japanese no

919
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,520
no

920
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,560
and what they said was after a few

921
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,320
minutes it just went

922
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,280
silently aware no noise no

923
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,599
air turbulence either is it shot by

924
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,159
normally if an aircraft is that big

925
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,839
and that close to it creates an air

926
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,960
turbulence

927
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,280
like a wash like it on the sea

928
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:44,800
a wave factor

929
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,069
so what in conventional terms have we

930
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,720
got in 1942

931
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:54,159
and the answer is

932
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:01,030
and i always hack back to this case when

933
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:09,270
the stealth argument is undoubtedly true

934
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,480
for some

935
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,599
sightings

936
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,000
we have always had some secret aircraft

937
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,320
that some people will see don't know

938
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,640
what it is they'll face the ufo

939
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,079
perfectly fine

940
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,240
but it doesn't explain this

941
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,720
and what does a stealth aircraft do it

942
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,720
has a runway

943
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,240
it takes off

944
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,720
on wheels it goes up in here it goes

945
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,200
straight it's there radar invisible but

946
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,680
it's still real and then it may drop a

947
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:37,760
few bombs about shoot at something and

948
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:40,640
then it lands on an airfield

949
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,990
so while stealth may be exotic to us

950
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:50,000
stealth does not exact

951
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:51,200
explain

952
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,320
this event

953
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,480
it was before stealth

954
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,359
the real first proper stealthy plane was

955
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,680
the u2 in the in the 50s

956
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,040
and people could think of the gary

957
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,119
powers being shot down

958
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,119
the crisis i think in 1960 when he was

959
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,480
shut down

960
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,240
yeah that's where the existence of the

961
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:10,880
u2 became aware

962
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,760
so we cannot explain this

963
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,480
in any conventional aircraft of the time

964
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,320
or since

965
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:21,040
so it's a good starting point for me as

966
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,480
to the reality of what we're dealing

967
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,520
with

968
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:25,839
and the reality is is that of 100 of

969
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,480
sightings around the world

970
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:30,480
95 of them

971
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:33,839
turn out to have a mundane explanation

972
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,280
by that i mean astronomical

973
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,200
pure mistake

974
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,040
look todd people got the wrong end of

975
00:36:45,790 --> 00:36:43,520
the stick after investigation

976
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,800
turns out it's a conventional

977
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,760
misidentification

978
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,599
that's fine

979
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,520
but we're left with the residue of five

980
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,440
percent of cases and we're not talking

981
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:56,240
about five percent of 20 cases worldwide

982
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,200
we're talking five percent of millions

983
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,119
of cases

984
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,880
so if you extrapolate

985
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,359
five percent of millions of cases since

986
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,599
the forties onwards we're talking about

987
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,440
hundreds of thousands of really good

988
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,520
sightings worldwide

989
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,800
yeah

990
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:14,240
so that's a lot

991
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,200
and then

992
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,040
what you then have to do is investigate

993
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,960
that five percent that's left

994
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,560
and when you investigate that five

995
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,880
percent you can rule out at least

996
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,359
another two percent

997
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,240
so after investigation it turns out it

998
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,720
is a normal explanation just in all

999
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,240
circumstances

1000
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,040
but we are left with a hard core

1001
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,920
of three percent of cases

1002
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,440
now if you were an investigative

1003
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,520
journalist and you were tasked with

1004
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,160
finding about ufos

1005
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:46,800
where would your start point be

1006
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,599
as to the real reality or not

1007
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,920
would it be at the hundred percent or

1008
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,000
would you start your investigation

1009
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,880
at the three percent unexplained

1010
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,040
logically

1011
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,119
it should start at the three percent

1012
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,119
would it not yeah

1013
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,320
but no no no no no

1014
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,960
the media start every time at a hundred

1015
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,119
percent

1016
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,960
that's a bit bizarre and it

1017
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,280
would i go to court with my

1018
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,440
weakest evidence

1019
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,680
or do you go to go to court with your

1020
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,599
best evidence it's called the best

1021
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,310
you get your best evidence in court not

1022
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,680
your weakest because the weakest gets

1023
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,160
thrown out

1024
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,560
but not when it comes to journalism

1025
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,720
investigative journalism

1026
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,440
starts every time at 100

1027
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,520
never at the 3 percent

1028
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,880
and that's because

1029
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:42,720
they're working to different agendas

1030
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,079
which we can talk about later all right

1031
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,920
that's the reality

1032
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,839
so that should have been on the six

1033
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,960
o'clock news

1034
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,119
uh let me ask you a question have you

1035
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:54,800
ever seen

1036
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,000
the bbc or itv channel 4 channel 5 make

1037
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,400
a documentary that's been aired

1038
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:02,000
solely about

1039
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:03,359
food fighters during the second world

1040
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:04,240
war

1041
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,119
no

1042
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,960
has there ever been a broadcast

1043
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:09,680
documentary on terrestrial tv

1044
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,270
when lawrence olivier was doing his

1045
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:17,680
narration world of war were foo fighters

1046
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,030
do you not find that odd

1047
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:26,390
we talk about

1048
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,480
how history uh not just ufos is being

1049
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:32,000
manipulated

1050
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,200
that the

1051
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,880
archaeology

1052
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,880
some of the best evidence of our origins

1053
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,000
of man

1054
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,839
are not being presented

1055
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,880
correctly in the media

1056
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,359
we'll talk about that later

1057
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,680
so that's the first rung of my evidence

1058
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:48,720
that says

1059
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,400
explain that in 1942

1060
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,920
and you can't

1061
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:56,400
there is no rational explanation except

1062
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:57,359
one

1063
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,750
now here's a question how many people

1064
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,200
put your hand up in the air if you've

1065
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,400
heard of the

1066
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,760
uh

1067
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,480
roswell crash in america 1947

1068
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,920
right pretty hands down in fact i'm

1069
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:13,760
going to do it in reverse now who hasn't

1070
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,640
heard of the roswell crash in 1947 in

1071
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,920
the united states put your hand up if

1072
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,000
you haven't nothing to be embarrassed

1073
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,240
about if you're not aware of that

1074
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,599
so everybody in this room has heard of

1075
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,920
the word roswell

1076
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,000
and all everybody realizes it's not just

1077
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,040
an american high school tv show

1078
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,119
but it related to something

1079
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,760
allegedly that crashed in 1947 july

1080
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,599
1947.

1081
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,280
okay

1082
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,760
essentially from that time

1083
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,359
i did believe i do believe that

1084
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,200
something crashed i do believe it didn't

1085
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,400
come from around here and i do believe

1086
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:51,440
that we have reversed engineered

1087
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,079
some of the components

1088
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:57,040
why because it makes sense

1089
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,720
if a ufo was to just crash outside the

1090
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,319
welcome in tonight

1091
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,839
what would happen

1092
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,760
if we had someone crash landing outside

1093
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,200
we'd maybe think it was an aircraft

1094
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,280
crashing some of us might stay in some

1095
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,280
of us might get too frightened but some

1096
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,680
of us would run outside

1097
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,359
and some of us would become witnesses to

1098
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,200
an aircraft crashed or whatever but if

1099
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,680
it was a crashed ufo

1100
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,680
well we on that nowadays we'll be on our

1101
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,920
mobile phones taking pictures video and

1102
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,359
whatever so there's a chance that we

1103
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:26,960
might be able to get this out to the

1104
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:29,440
wider public but imagine a few years ago

1105
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,400
before

1106
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,560
the invention of the mobile phone

1107
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,480
and very portable

1108
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,359
photographic media high quality media

1109
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,119
people didn't have that so they may be

1110
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:40,880
the first witnesses

1111
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,359
think of cakesburg in 65 something

1112
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,119
crashes in the woods

1113
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:47,040
yeah we have some people who say i saw

1114
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,520
like a uh chestnut shaped dumbbell type

1115
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,359
craft on the ground

1116
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,720
but we don't have photographs things

1117
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,800
like that but what happens is

1118
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,640
somebody straight away onto the 999

1119
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,240
blower

1120
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,430
please turn up

1121
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,000
what are they going to do coordinate off

1122
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,400
deal with any people that are injured

1123
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,960
through shrapnel or whatever

1124
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,040
but then what's going to happen

1125
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:16,480
if he was suspected to say it was

1126
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,520
military

1127
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,800
soviet

1128
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:20,640
russian that kind of thing

1129
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,839
straight away the military get called in

1130
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,079
the coordinated people further back

1131
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,560
whatever was in the ground would be

1132
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,240
recovered by the military ticket where

1133
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,760
never to be seen again

1134
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,079
to be worked on in secret

1135
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:36,400
that's exactly what we do now so it

1136
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,079
makes sense if something crashed in 1947

1137
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,079
don't do that

1138
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,800
now here's the thing people going about

1139
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,400
roswell's in new mexico it's a little

1140
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,000
kind of little place in the middle of

1141
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:51,040
nowhere people go you know why the ufos

1142
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,560
go to new mexico you know why roswell

1143
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,240
you get journalists said come on why

1144
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,720
roswell why anyway

1145
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:00,960
but what they failed to say is that

1146
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,480
there was a very good reason why roswell

1147
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:06,640
because it was the place of the world's

1148
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,000
first atomic bomb squadron

1149
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,760
so if you think about it in all the bars

1150
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,839
in all the world

1151
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,319
that crack ufo crushed

1152
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,280
in one little tiny place on the world

1153
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,359
oh what a coincidence

1154
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,040
the only place in the world where it's

1155
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,359
got an atomic bomb squadron

1156
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:26,800
uh

1157
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,960
cannot see correlation then i can

1158
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:32,560
no coincidence

1159
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,200
turning up in numbers i think

1160
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,400
from the second world war onwards

1161
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:41,920
why

1162
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,960
we detonate an atomic weapon

1163
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,359
that sends a shockwave sound wave out

1164
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,720
into space

1165
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,119
that announces us as we've developed a

1166
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,960
certain level of technological

1167
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,960
capability

1168
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,440
and one that says we can actually

1169
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,760
destroy the very planet that

1170
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,520
we call earth

1171
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,119
so if you're out there and you came here

1172
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,589
don't laugh

1173
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,400
we laugh but we shouldn't do

1174
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,920
but if you were coming here and you

1175
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,560
thought the earth was a beautiful planet

1176
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:15,839
diverse

1177
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,200
in life water and fauna

1178
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:21,839
which we are at we saw diverse want to

1179
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,560
see the galapagos islands blown up would

1180
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,319
you want to see the great barrier reef

1181
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:28,079
blown up

1182
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,280
i don't think you would you tried to

1183
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,800
protect it wouldn't you

1184
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,680
equate it in that way

1185
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,880
maybe just in our part of the galaxy

1186
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,800
the earth is a bit like an oasis in the

1187
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,240
desert

1188
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,160
a little strip of water

1189
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,000
with a few palm trees

1190
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,920
equivalent of that

1191
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,000
and maybe they come here

1192
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,560
just to watch us to surveil us

1193
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:52,400
like we would do if we swim in the great

1194
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,599
barrier reef we don't break off the

1195
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:55,520
coral that's no no

1196
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,359
we watch them in their natural habitat

1197
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,440
and i think this is what many species of

1198
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,359
e.t are actually doing

1199
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,839
and that's why they don't come forward

1200
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:07,359
they more or less watch

1201
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,720
yeah like we would do in the great

1202
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,720
barrier reef okay but we'll talk about

1203
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,800
that later so that's the first case i

1204
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,079
think that's great

1205
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,240
circumstantial evidence because we can't

1206
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,480
explain what that was in 1942 and is

1207
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:21,520
this the only case of a huge metallic

1208
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,800
disc no because in 1944 there are

1209
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,000
military records at the national

1210
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,800
archives with the squadron leader lever

1211
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:31,040
with exactly the same thing coming from

1212
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,400
rid of germany

1213
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:34,800
crew of eight seas on two occasions

1214
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,520
during the one going out towards germany

1215
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,079
and one coming back a huge disc

1216
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,800
flying between the mountains

1217
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,640
all of which are military records at the

1218
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:46,720
national archives all of which should be

1219
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:49,359
on this club news brother

1220
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,550
conclusion

1221
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,160
what else could it be

1222
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,319
metallic roll windows 300

1223
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:01,760
we can't do it now

1224
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,109
for those of you who are quite

1225
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:08,720
knowledgeable in ufos you're aware of

1226
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,160
the tehran incident 1976 who who is not

1227
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,560
aware of the 1976 taran case put your

1228
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,000
hands up in the air

1229
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,839
okay thank you that's actually maybe

1230
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:19,760
half the route okay so let me talk about

1231
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,680
this case 1976 in iran

1232
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,560
basically people on the ground

1233
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,440
see

1234
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,839
that's a it's an air force base

1235
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,000
see visually on the ground

1236
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:33,599
a ufo

1237
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:37,359
motionless hovering near the runway

1238
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,240
okay

1239
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:40,319
and the general says i want to know what

1240
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:43,599
that is so he sends up

1241
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,520
a jet fighter a phantom jet f4 phantom

1242
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,400
to go up and see what this static

1243
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,720
radar confirmed object is

1244
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,560
when he gets when aircraft gets to

1245
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,560
within 25 miles of this object that

1246
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,480
starts moving away as soon as the plane

1247
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,000
takes off

1248
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,160
as soon as he gets to within 25 yards he

1249
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,280
loses all instrumentation

1250
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,200
power failure electrical powerful loses

1251
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:09,040
all his instruments so he's forced to

1252
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,800
return back to the base

1253
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,640
a second f4

1254
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,160
is sent up

1255
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,160
to investigate

1256
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:19,760
and the pilot

1257
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,640
we now know is called general

1258
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,160
is now a general or he retired as a

1259
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,480
general that's pretty high right

1260
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,960
pav is jafari

1261
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,240
so at the time he'd be like something

1262
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,960
like a flight lieutenant mid-ranking air

1263
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,400
force pilot

1264
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,720
and he sent up to investigate and when

1265
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,599
he gets close a strange thing happens he

1266
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,880
sees

1267
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,319
this

1268
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,760
that's the pilot

1269
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,000
lieutenant palmer jafari it's not a

1270
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,000
great drive but what we can see on the

1271
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,000
right hand corner

1272
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:53,440
is the f4 phantom chasing

1273
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,319
what look like a diamond shaped object

1274
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,000
well actually in the second half i'll

1275
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,720
show you an interview with the the pilot

1276
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:02,560
power drivers the phone

1277
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,359
and

1278
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,119
he said the object was like diamond

1279
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,280
shaped it was pulsing four repeat

1280
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,119
colours

1281
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,599
for sequence all the time

1282
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,480
when he started to get close to it

1283
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:16,480
from the back of the object

1284
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:20,400
a red object separated from it

1285
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,920
and shot towards him at high speed

1286
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,000
collision course

1287
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,480
he thought he was gonna die

1288
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,280
so defensive maneuver by the ufo being

1289
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:32,400
chased

1290
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:36,559
it fires releases a red object that

1291
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,079
shoots out on collision course

1292
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:42,079
he has no time

1293
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,520
to get out of the way he thinks he's

1294
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,040
gonna die with a collision

1295
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:47,040
then at the last moment it goes down the

1296
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,559
side

1297
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,559
he tries to fire at it in that split

1298
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:52,240
second when he sees it released towards

1299
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:55,520
him his weapon systems jam

1300
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:01,510
so we have do we not have jamming

1301
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,119
mechanisms now in modern aircraft

1302
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,520
do we not take avoidance chaff if

1303
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,040
there's a missile fighter in the release

1304
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,559
chaff

1305
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,160
so that the missile gets directed

1306
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,760
towards the silver foil and blows up

1307
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,359
rather than the plane

1308
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,960
defensive maneuver

1309
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,720
so this red object comes towards him

1310
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:21,599
last minute moves

1311
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:27,670
go back towards the and merge with the

1312
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,280
main object merge how many players have

1313
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,520
we seen merge into another plane

1314
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,200
how many objects can we release and

1315
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,160
remerge seamlessly back into an object

1316
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,240
can we do that now

1317
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:41,680
no

1318
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,160
this is 1976 all confirmed on radar

1319
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,359
and then he sees a green object further

1320
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,119
on in the chairs

1321
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,240
that goes straight down to the ground

1322
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,720
descends to the ground and lands

1323
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:58,800
and it's so bright it lights up the

1324
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,309
to go back the next day

1325
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,160
the object then just shoots off one in a

1326
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,400
blink can't get anywhere near it

1327
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,040
cut the long story short

1328
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,280
they go back the next day to try to find

1329
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,640
where the object had landed to see if

1330
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,640
there was any trace evidence

1331
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,280
none there was a farm nearby

1332
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,880
and they said did you hear anything no

1333
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,480
we just said we heard a noise we just

1334
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:24,160
thought it was thunderstorm they didn't

1335
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,119
even look

1336
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,400
nothing was found

1337
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,480
but all of this was ground confirmed

1338
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,760
initially

1339
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,680
from the air traffic control tower

1340
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,440
seeing the stationary objects of the

1341
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,800
airfield

1342
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,960
that then as soon as they

1343
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,119
dispatch an f4

1344
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:41,119
starts to go away oh i've been caught

1345
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,480
let's get out

1346
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,079
think about it what we would do trying

1347
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,240
to get away

1348
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,720
object goes first aircraft goes

1349
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,960
power failure has to return back to best

1350
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,400
second object

1351
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:54,079
almost dies he thinks he's going to die

1352
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,359
when this red object comes towards him

1353
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,520
at collision speed

1354
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,319
all of these are

1355
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,800
provable through documentation there are

1356
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,400
military records

1357
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,079
in the public domain

1358
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,400
the pilot and several of the people in

1359
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,319
the air traffic control tower have gone

1360
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,800
on record to confirm that this incident

1361
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:14,960
happened the americans produced a

1362
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,119
defense intelligence agency report about

1363
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,800
the whole incident that went right up to

1364
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,480
the white house

1365
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,720
not that they're interested obviously

1366
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,960
not there's anything to this subject but

1367
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,319
it went to the white house you see it on

1368
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,480
the cc list

1369
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,589
so this is a really credible case

1370
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,079
involving ground raider airborne radar

1371
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,000
ground visual ground airborne visual

1372
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,079
reader

1373
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:41,839
to say that this is a real thing

1374
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,960
maneuvering in our airspace

1375
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,400
i should have made the six o'clock news

1376
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,589
didn't only people like me and

1377
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,920
researchers who dug out these records

1378
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,760
people before me they've gone to the

1379
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,520
trouble to get freedom of information

1380
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,440
requests and got all this information

1381
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,200
i've identified the pilot i've

1382
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,720
interviewed the pilot

1383
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:04,079
we'll see a clip in the second half when

1384
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,520
our show is in being interviewed about

1385
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,119
it briefly

1386
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,040
so this is an absolutely brilliant case

1387
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,920
this is another credible piece of

1388
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,030
that maneuvers in a way

1389
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:19,839
it's an unconventional shape diamond

1390
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,240
pulsating four sequence colours

1391
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,040
that releases an object that then

1392
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,440
is allowed to seamlessly merge back into

1393
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,599
it releases another object down to the

1394
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,359
ground

1395
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:34,079
there's nothing we can do

1396
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:35,280
now

1397
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,200
in the public domain we can do that

1398
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:41,280
so if we rule out all the conventional

1399
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,160
answers

1400
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,119
bear in mind think of that 1942 case we

1401
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:46,880
still haven't been able to explain that

1402
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,520
so that sets the bar pretty high

1403
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,880
that there was something flying around

1404
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:53,280
our space in 1942 doesn't it

1405
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:56,800
if we can't explain in 1942 then really

1406
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,319
for me that's endgame 1942 proves it

1407
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:02,000
that there were objects operating in our

1408
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:03,359
espace that we couldn't get anywhere

1409
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,319
near

1410
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,559
in terms of design even now

1411
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,040
so the case really is proven in 1942 but

1412
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,440
let's just build this picture up so now

1413
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:13,280
we have this case

1414
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,720
to me all of these elements

1415
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,000
shows intelligence because it's

1416
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,680
defensive maneuvers

1417
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:21,680
in pursuit so exactly what we would try

1418
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:25,839
to do if uh if a syrian jet was being

1419
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,599
chased by another so uh american plane

1420
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,800
that tried to get out of the way and

1421
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,280
they tried to do defensive maneuvers

1422
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,640
but they're not capable of doing all

1423
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,670
so it's another piece of circumstantial

1424
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:41,280
evidence that says someone's flying

1425
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,630
we talked about the renal from forest

1426
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,599
case

1427
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,800
briefly

1428
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,119
before some people came in

1429
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:02,160
for seven years i worked alongside

1430
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:03,200
uh

1431
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:06,079
colonel holt charles hull

1432
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,680
the dep who in 1980 was the then deputy

1433
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,040
base commander he was a lieutenant

1434
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,720
colonel at the time

1435
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,079
of the incident

1436
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:15,760
and basically cutting a long story short

1437
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:18,559
over three successive nights

1438
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,480
the 26th the 25th into the 26th 26th

1439
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:25,760
until the 27th the 27th into the 28th

1440
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,800
three successive nights of ufo activity

1441
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,920
near

1442
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,839
this base

1443
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,760
and it was a twin based complex leased

1444
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:36,079
from the raf called bent waters and

1445
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,119
woodbridge

1446
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,680
two bases separated by a forest

1447
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:41,839
reduction forest in the middle

1448
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,880
now here's the real reason why this is

1449
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:46,559
of interest and it's never really

1450
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,800
mentioned by any of the documentaries

1451
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:50,720
that are made

1452
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,079
what was happening in 1980

1453
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,040
of uh it's a world

1454
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,839
defense issue

1455
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,000
why suffer what people go what you know

1456
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,400
why go to little old suffolk

1457
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,720
middle of nowhere well there's very good

1458
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,790
one of the reasons is that in 1980

1459
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,040
december 1980 there were two world

1460
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:17,280
events that were destabilizing

1461
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,400
peace

1462
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,280
one was the iranian hostage crisis

1463
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,440
so many hostages have been taken

1464
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,839
but the biggest one was the rise of the

1465
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,280
soledanos

1466
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,960
polar shipyard workers under elect

1467
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,200
valencia in poland

1468
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:34,000
if you remember in 1980 poland was still

1469
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,150
paul and shipyard workers and elected

1470
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:42,720
said no no we've got to have reform

1471
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,760
kind of a rebellion revolution

1472
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,240
now for those of you who are old enough

1473
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:50,799
to remember hungary again

1474
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,599
earlier was the satellite soviet state

1475
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,359
and when they started to rebel it was

1476
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,280
quashed soviet troops went in and

1477
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,280
quashed it put it down no you're not

1478
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:01,680
having your independence

1479
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:04,799
at the time of this event december 1980

1480
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,720
hundreds of thousands of soviet troops

1481
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,760
were amassing on the borders of poland

1482
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,599
and it looked like

1483
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,960
they were then going to do another

1484
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:17,440
hungary so this is a proven fact

1485
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,079
hundreds of thousands of soviet soldiers

1486
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,480
massing on the polish border waiting for

1487
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:25,440
the do we going on

1488
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,799
now that could have triggered a third

1489
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,000
world war

1490
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:30,319
so this is pretty serious and then of

1491
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,760
course you've got the tension in the

1492
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,440
middle east with the iran

1493
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:35,599
iranian hostage crisis

1494
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,200
so two very good reasons why maybe ufos

1495
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:40,799
might think this is a bit of a

1496
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:44,720
destabilized time but why suffolk

1497
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,829
everybody how many people have heard of

1498
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,520
green and common and the peace

1499
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:53,280
protesters at green con

1500
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,559
how many have not heard the green and

1501
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,640
common through the 80s

1502
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,359
well basically the americans were

1503
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,960
thought to be bringing in nuclear

1504
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,319
missiles

1505
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,079
and housing them at green and common in

1506
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,000
the nuclear bunker

1507
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,240
so the peace protesters set up a camp

1508
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,960
outside the gates alongside the fence

1509
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,880
and paul the banner saying

1510
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,480
we want the missiles out we don't want

1511
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:16,880
nuclear weapons here at this best but

1512
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,839
guess what it was all a lie

1513
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:21,280
where do you think the nuclear weapons

1514
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,549
the bridge

1515
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:28,160
but there's a problem with admitting

1516
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,599
that they were at bent waters and

1517
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,440
woodridge why

1518
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:33,040
because it would break all the armaments

1519
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,799
agreements now i'm going to say this

1520
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:37,440
very clearly to you

1521
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,440
a senior military figure

1522
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,680
who i knew personally

1523
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,040
told me

1524
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:47,920
that there were more nuclear weapons and

1525
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:50,640
raf bent waters in the nuclear bunkers

1526
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:54,160
than anywhere else in europe

1527
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,390
so it's a time of world crisis

1528
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,480
is it a coincidence that when you're

1529
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,040
looking at a destabilized world

1530
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,599
and maybe a threat to our existence even

1531
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:09,359
with a nuclear third world war

1532
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:12,799
armageddon scenario that ufos go what

1533
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,430
think about it's logical isn't it

1534
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:22,559
especially if they maybe live here

1535
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,710
but how many people realize

1536
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,960
that in our deepest oceans

1537
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,880
we only know

1538
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:34,400
one percent

1539
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,839
of the oceans in 2016

1540
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,240
we only know one percent of what's in

1541
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:41,839
the oceans

1542
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:44,400
now think about this we know more about

1543
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:47,680
the surface of moon the moon and mars

1544
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,880
than we do

1545
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,440
about our own oceans

1546
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,440
now how many people have seen the film

1547
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,720
the abyss

1548
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,880
the science fiction classic

1549
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,960
here's the scenario for you

1550
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:00,799
how many people in this room realize

1551
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:03,520
that ufos are seen coming in and out of

1552
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,480
water worldwide

1553
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,319
how many don't realize that ufos are

1554
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:10,720
coming into that water

1555
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,920
oh one well done we do now

1556
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,040
but that's

1557
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:17,520
reported all around the world ufo's seen

1558
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:20,559
emerging from water into the air flying

1559
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,440
off and descended into the water

1560
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,760
and have been captured on sauna

1561
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,760
being seen by military ships coming out

1562
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,359
of the water all recorded all

1563
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,839
documentary evidence proven it multiple

1564
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:34,079
witnesses

1565
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,200
so

1566
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:37,359
if we only know one percent

1567
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:40,240
like i said earlier

1568
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,280
is it not at least feasible to think

1569
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,599
that when i said they don't want to see

1570
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,839
this planet get destroyed by her own

1571
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,400
hand i.e nuclear weapons

1572
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,559
but maybe they've got some underground

1573
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,079
bases

1574
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,559
in the rest of the 99

1575
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:58,160
and maybe they've been here a long time

1576
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,599
and are quite happy

1577
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:01,280
staying away from us

1578
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:05,040
but we just come out with one go back in

1579
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,720
you wouldn't want the planet destroyed

1580
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,480
then because it would actually be

1581
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:10,480
your planet

1582
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,040
your home

1583
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,280
which kind of turns it on its head a bit

1584
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:17,119
as to why

1585
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:18,400
they've got an interest in nuclear

1586
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:23,510
so the time of crisis more nuclear

1587
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:24,559
weapons

1588
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:25,440
in

1589
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:27,680
between weapon storage area than

1590
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,000
anywhere else in europe it broke all the

1591
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,640
armament agreements

1592
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,359
that's why a senior military figure

1593
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,960
could never publicly say what i've just

1594
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,950
because that really would cause a

1595
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,480
hornet's nest

1596
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,160
but this is why the senior officers of

1597
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,160
the time will go or we could neither

1598
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,559
confirm

1599
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:49,839
that there were nuclear weapons on the

1600
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,000
bills

1601
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:53,760
politics

1602
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,599
but it's about that

1603
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:57,680
why suffer

1604
01:01:01,270 --> 01:01:00,240
more nuclear weapons destabilizing world

1605
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:01,280
crisis

1606
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,880
hey we could just

1607
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,799
blow this planet up

1608
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,880
what are they doing there so my personal

1609
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,920
take

1610
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:09,359
is that that was kind of a nuclear

1611
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,510
what are they doing now

1612
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:15,119
and bear in mind for those of you who

1613
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,960
are unaware that on the third night of

1614
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,319
activity

1615
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,880
colonel holt

1616
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:22,960
by changing radio channel

1617
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,280
having already observed a ufo stopping

1618
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:27,440
above his head and shining a beam down

1619
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,640
to his ground

1620
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,400
with his other four men

1621
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,240
like a laser beam came down from say a

1622
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,480
thousand feet so they see an object come

1623
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,640
towards them stop above their heads

1624
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:39,599
let's beam down he says is this a

1625
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,640
warning is this a type of communication

1626
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:44,240
that's what he was thinking they're all

1627
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:45,280
in all

1628
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,440
object then goes towards the base now

1629
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,280
from their geographical position as they

1630
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:51,200
look back towards the base because of

1631
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,040
the rough terrain and trees they can't

1632
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,440
see exactly where it is over the base

1633
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,280
but the object is shining a beam down to

1634
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,160
the ground like it did to them

1635
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:02,319
so he changes his radio channel to the

1636
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:04,880
weapon storage frequency

1637
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:07,440
and just in time to hear the guy

1638
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:10,480
in the tower say that there are beams

1639
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:13,119
being shunned down into the nuclear

1640
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,400
storage bunker

1641
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,640
i worked on those bunkers so i can

1642
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,880
envisage this exactly what it looks like

1643
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:22,559
there must have been all hell breaking

1644
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:28,309
so the implications are

1645
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,839
that they were scanning the bunkers

1646
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,599
to see what was in there

1647
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:35,359
and no doubt going what the hell are

1648
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,720
they doing in there

1649
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,319
what's going on

1650
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,680
it just kind of makes sense when you

1651
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,280
think about it in those terms but the

1652
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:43,839
beam being shown now confirmed

1653
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,280
by several people including holt for me

1654
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:49,920
on a personal video from the top of the

1655
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:52,000
weapon storage area tower

1656
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,760
where he describes exactly what i've

1657
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,960
said to you

1658
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:56,960
i got him to repeat it on video so he

1659
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,440
can't take it back then can he

1660
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:01,680
did he change the radio frequency and he

1661
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:02,400
heard

1662
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,200
the guy in the tower where we were stood

1663
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:06,799
same beams have been shot down into the

1664
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,160
weapon surgery can't take it back

1665
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:12,079
okay

1666
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:14,559
so putting a long story short

1667
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:19,670
do you want me to carry on i'll join

1668
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:22,160
over a little breath

1669
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,599
carry on i've got you for another 10

1670
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:25,119
minutes because we're actually gone past

1671
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:26,079
hey but

1672
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:28,799
you talked to him so so basically let's

1673
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,640
now look at so this for those of you

1674
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:31,920
that aren't aware

1675
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,960
the news of the world now doesn't exist

1676
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,720
that was the headline went all around

1677
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,280
the world ufo lands in suffolk and

1678
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:41,280
that's official

1679
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,520
and why was it official because it made

1680
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,200
reference to this

1681
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,760
document which i'm going to show you now

1682
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:49,280
that's called the whole memorandum

1683
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,720
written by the guy i worked with for

1684
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,960
seven years

1685
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:54,480
colonel hull

1686
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:55,920
then a lieutenant currently wrote this

1687
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,319
to the mod of the air force to pass

1688
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,319
their body

1689
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,079
and it's only

1690
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:04,799
a brief document it's as he always said

1691
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:06,319
it was a taster

1692
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:07,599
to say someone hadn't come and

1693
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,000
investigate it

1694
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:13,200
but this three page three paragraph

1695
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:14,400
document

1696
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,079
in the history of ufos in my opinion

1697
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,160
it's a piece of documentary evidence

1698
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,839
that we could produce in a court of law

1699
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:25,599
anything wrong

1700
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:27,200
but it's those three paragraphs that

1701
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,079
make it so explosive

1702
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:32,000
the first paragraph says that on the

1703
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,349
and at that time it was written he only

1704
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:39,280
realized there were two nights on the

1705
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,359
first night a landed triangular craft

1706
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:45,200
landed in the forest

1707
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,480
and was seen by some of his airmen

1708
01:04:52,829 --> 01:04:50,640
second paragraph

1709
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,839
that object left ground trace

1710
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:54,559
impressions

1711
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:57,920
three depressions equilateral

1712
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,559
the impressions into the soil to the

1713
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,559
same depth

1714
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:04,000
same size

1715
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,640
same weight distribution

1716
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,559
and when they put a guy counter over it

1717
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:10,720
two days later

1718
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,240
the geiger counter only peaked

1719
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,440
in terms of background radiation

1720
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:19,039
guess where

1721
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,119
in each of the indented

1722
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:23,920
impressions of the ground indentations

1723
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,559
so a geiger counter goes into the pod

1724
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:28,559
hole as it was described

1725
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:30,160
higher eight times higher than

1726
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,039
background radiation later confirmed by

1727
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,079
the even skeptical nick pot

1728
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,680
for those of you know nick pop who works

1729
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,280
for emily

1730
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,799
so again we have a piece of paper

1731
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,799
corroborated the fact that it was eight

1732
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,559
times higher than background radiation

1733
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,319
but it only peaked

1734
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:48,960
in those three areas and one area

1735
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,400
in the center of the triangle

1736
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,079
if you think of an object taking off it

1737
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,400
might have a degree of blast

1738
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:58,240
it's directly underneath if that takes

1739
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,400
off space tube kind of thing that area

1740
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:02,880
there directly under its backside

1741
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,359
was an area there where it's backed but

1742
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,680
only the three identification

1743
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:10,000
indentations and then the last paragraph

1744
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,359
is absolutely

1745
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,680
incredible

1746
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,359
for the simple reason is

1747
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,599
how often do you get a lieutenant

1748
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:19,839
colonel extremely high rank

1749
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,160
the deputy based commander of a front

1750
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,160
line nato base

1751
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:26,640
saying i saw multiple ufos

1752
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:27,680
himself

1753
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,520
and putting pen to paper that's a bit

1754
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:31,440
like the chief constable

1755
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,079
of wales please south wales police

1756
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,640
say yeah i saw ufo land in the forest

1757
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,839
yesterday

1758
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,520
he's not going to do it

1759
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:41,280
is he because it'd be crazy losing his

1760
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:48,069
but it wasn't ever supposed to be public

1761
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,559
in fact nobody knew about this

1762
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:52,640
incident worldwide

1763
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,760
until october 1983

1764
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:57,680
when the news of the world got hold of

1765
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:59,599
that document the whole memorandum that

1766
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,680
piece of paper

1767
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,319
it was never meant to go public in fact

1768
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,720
holt tried his best

1769
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,559
not to have it released because he knew

1770
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,920
that if it did his life would never be

1771
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,680
the same and guess what it was released

1772
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,480
and his natural remember the same

1773
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,400
so pretty good reasons for wanting to do

1774
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:17,520
that

1775
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,480
so all in all putting a long story out

1776
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:22,319
how many documents do we have in the

1777
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,760
public domain that you could take in a

1778
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:25,599
court of law this hypothetical court of

1779
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,400
law do ufos exist that we can say oh you

1780
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,000
know we've got a landed triangular craft

1781
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,319
seen by a multiplayer man that leaves

1782
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:34,079
ground depressions trace evidence in the

1783
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:35,440
ground

1784
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:36,799
broken branches where it come down

1785
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:39,760
through the canopy of the trees taken up

1786
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,200
and also the basic deputy-based

1787
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:42,960
commander of a nuclear base

1788
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,680
also multiple ufos internal

1789
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:47,520
it doesn't happen very often

1790
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:48,720
hence why it's such an important

1791
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,839
argument

1792
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,520
so that's another string to our ball

1793
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:54,000
that's three out of five

1794
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:57,280
this is a diagram of the

1795
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,599
triangular craft

1796
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,280
was basically three meters by three

1797
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:04,000
meters not very big it was like glass to

1798
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:05,280
the touch

1799
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:09,039
and no machinery nor engines

1800
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:10,799
appeared to be

1801
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:13,359
either hovering or on legs

1802
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,000
and there were some symbols on the side

1803
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:17,759
this was a copy that he put in his

1804
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,480
pocketbook sergeant pence

1805
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:22,400
okay

1806
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:23,679
that's halt

1807
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:26,960
my photograph of hope pointing to where

1808
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,199
the object sent a beam down in the field

1809
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:31,279
that's the field

1810
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:32,799
and guess what in over 30 odd

1811
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:35,120
documentaries that he'd made

1812
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:38,719
worldwide with film crews nobody ever

1813
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,359
took him back to that field

1814
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,359
investigative journalist don't you say

1815
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:45,520
retrace your steps

1816
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:46,719
show me where it happened where the

1817
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,799
murder scene was

1818
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,120
bit odd that isn't it

1819
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,679
we'll talk about later on

1820
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:55,520
because i've got good examples of where

1821
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,799
they manipulate

1822
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:57,600
so

1823
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:00,319
again all very very real

1824
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:06,390
for many years there were only two very

1825
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:10,080
brief radar traces

1826
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:12,880
okay and people didn't really

1827
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,199
give them much credence for about seven

1828
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:16,799
years ago

1829
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:19,040
uh robert hastings who was an american

1830
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,000
wrote a book called ufos and nukes and

1831
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:23,839
if you haven't got it i suggest you go

1832
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,640
buy it it's all to do with ufos nuclear

1833
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:28,880
weapons okay

1834
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:31,839
and in that he was able to get two

1835
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,560
witnesses to come forward and guess what

1836
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,319
these weren't police officers

1837
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,480
these were air traffic controllers a

1838
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,719
totally different department

1839
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,480
that you never see mentioned on any

1840
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,480
regulation document

1841
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,159
documentary

1842
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:47,759
and they went public to say during that

1843
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,480
christmas period they they were on duty

1844
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:52,080
they couldn't be specific listed the

1845
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,960
night

1846
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,239
but they said

1847
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,239
uh over that christmas period

1848
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,880
they saw multiple ufos come over the

1849
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:00,400
base

1850
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,080
and were confirmed on the air traffic

1851
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,239
radar

1852
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,159
so we totally have a totally brilliant

1853
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:10,320
corroboration now not just from police

1854
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,920
officers who were tired or they didn't

1855
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,280
recognize the forest oh they got

1856
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,880
frightened on night they went outside

1857
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,719
and got frightened

1858
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,480
oh yes let's give them a machine gun but

1859
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:20,719
they'll get frightened in the woods

1860
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,790
not in reality so that's three out of

1861
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,510
the fourth bit i've actually already

1862
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:32,719
touched upon

1863
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:35,600
in the warm-up two f-16s on the night of

1864
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:37,760
the 30th 31st of march

1865
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:41,840
1990 chase a radar and visually

1866
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,960
confirmed ufo on the ground think of

1867
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,600
that around case ufo hovering over the

1868
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:50,080
military base air traffic controllers go

1869
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,520
what that

1870
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:54,239
send up an inceptor f-16s in this case

1871
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:57,280
very top aircraft of the day 1990 they

1872
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,320
chase it for 75 minutes it's at night

1873
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,719
they never get a visual but all the time

1874
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,880
the telemetry data

1875
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,800
and radars confirmed it

1876
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,880
so it was a visually seen before the

1877
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:10,480
pilots went up

1878
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:12,159
on the ground so you've got a ground

1879
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:13,600
visual

1880
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,600
pilots went up there and they're getting

1881
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:21,840
a visual on their radio and all the

1882
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,239
telemetry data has been recorded on

1883
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,199
seven different airports

1884
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,520
three military and four

1885
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,679
civilian airports tracking this thing

1886
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,920
and they're not the same radar

1887
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:35,280
i'm not already our expert but they're

1888
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,719
all different types

1889
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,239
of heights

1890
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,400
what they cover what's included

1891
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:43,120
in the the scheme of the radar pattern

1892
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:44,960
all tracking the same object all that

1893
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,280
telemetry data at one point the object

1894
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:49,920
has a right angle turn and it pulls 35

1895
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,080
g's the maximum for stealth now

1896
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,719
is 11 to 12.

1897
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:59,040
so we could produce that telemetry data

1898
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,960
like the drink driver

1899
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,040
court of law in our hypothetical court

1900
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:05,440
of law that's the existence of ufos your

1901
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:07,920
honor i now produce telemetry data from

1902
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,840
this incident gh1 telemetry data and it

1903
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,760
was tracked on blah blah blah blah blah

1904
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:16,320
this has been checked blah blah blah

1905
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,840
it's not a mistake

1906
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:19,920
pull 35g

1907
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,239
almost three times what we're capable of

1908
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:25,440
doing now in 2016

1909
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:29,990
so again

1910
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:32,960
1990 this is a great piece of evidence

1911
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:35,679
that we could present our circumstantial

1912
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:37,840
picture of building up this picture of

1913
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:46,390
now just quickly the guy on the left

1914
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,080
is uh

1915
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,719
he was then the deputy base uh deputy of

1916
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:51,920
the belgium

1917
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,120
air force and he did a press coverage

1918
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,280
press conference kind of like this and

1919
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:59,840
he actually presented the telemetry data

1920
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,080
to the belgian media

1921
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,840
which is very rare we don't usually get

1922
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,080
military say now we've got this but they

1923
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,920
were very open

1924
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:09,360
and this guy's been interviewed many

1925
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:11,679
times and he says when it's you stealth

1926
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,880
because

1927
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:14,159
the stealth

1928
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:17,679
maneuvers are nothing like the maneuvers

1929
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,800
sean

1930
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,239
and he's basically saying

1931
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:21,920
he stopped because he was still serving

1932
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,679
he stopped one shot saying he was

1933
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,920
extraterrestrial but he said it's not

1934
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,440
still

1935
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,440
the flight maneuvers a right angle turn

1936
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,120
at one point it jumps

1937
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:34,000
thousand feet in three seconds

1938
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:35,840
straight up

1939
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,080
okay

1940
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,480
the guy on the right

1941
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,520
is the actual belgian radar civilian

1942
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,679
expert who was called in to work with

1943
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,360
the belgium

1944
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,520
radar spec military specialist

1945
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:51,040
so after it happened

1946
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,120
they wanted an expert to come in to work

1947
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:55,600
alongside the military radar experts to

1948
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,560
confirm that they were in agreement

1949
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,080
and he gets tracked down by a british

1950
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:02,000
researcher called harry harris who was a

1951
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,440
solicitor but had a big interest in your

1952
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,360
report he tracked him down to a hotel in

1953
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,040
london he'd come over to london to

1954
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:09,120
actually talk to the mod

1955
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:10,960
and he tracked him out to his hotel and

1956
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,120
he gave an interview for him knocks on

1957
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:15,760
his door with his wife and said uh can i

1958
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:18,560
interview you about this belgium

1959
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:20,239
and at one point i've got the video clip

1960
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:21,840
it's about 11 minutes long but at one

1961
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:24,080
point he draws this maneuver talks about

1962
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,960
this

1963
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,120
and he so eventually

1964
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,800
harry harris says to him so what do you

1965
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:30,560
think it was

1966
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:35,830
well

1967
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,159
maybe i shouldn't say this but it

1968
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,320
it points towards extra stress

1969
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:42,560
he actually goes on camera and says that

1970
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,199
why is that long six o'clock news

1971
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:47,120
it's not why

1972
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,320
so that's the fourth case that's the

1973
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:49,840
maneuver

1974
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,920
right so it's coming in then it goes

1975
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:53,520
straight right angle turn goes straight

1976
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,239
up

1977
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:56,560
goes down so at that point there does 35

1978
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:59,280
g up and then it drops 5000 feet in

1979
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,560
three seconds

1980
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,480
and then pulls out of the dive

1981
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:04,400
we can't do anything like that

1982
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,600
so it proves that there was an unusual

1983
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:09,280
unconventional object flying in our

1984
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,390
and finally in fact i might save this

1985
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:18,000
for that because i think you're being

1986
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,760
patient now it's quarter past i said

1987
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,679
eight o'clock nine o'clock

1988
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:23,360
i'll save this last case because there's

1989
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:24,640
some video that'll go with it if you

1990
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,000
haven't seen it

1991
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,600
but what i'll tell you about it before

1992
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:29,840
we have a break just give me two minutes

1993
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,880
is

1994
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,600
how many people are aware of the sts-75

1995
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,600
tethering put your hands up if you are

1996
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:37,760
aware

1997
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:40,080
maybe eight or nine people

1998
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:42,320
okay so the vast majority in this room i

1999
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,280
know

2000
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,040
well the beauty of it is

2001
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,280
it's an incredible case

2002
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:49,520
because it involves footage

2003
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:52,719
that belongs to nasa

2004
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:54,159
and it's their

2005
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:55,360
military

2006
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:56,960
specialist talking about what's

2007
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:58,719
happening on screen

2008
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:01,679
and it's not being cgi

2009
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,560
and it's never been explained

2010
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,239
so you've got that to look forward to in

2011
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:07,760
a clip because i'll show you what they

2012
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:10,239
saw when they zoomed in when the tether

2013
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:11,520
let me just tell you

2014
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:14,239
the tether was an experiment the shuttle

2015
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,400
released a satellite

2016
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,480
device and what it was going to do it

2017
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,719
released the cable that was 12 miles

2018
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:22,080
long

2019
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,840
and it was just going to roll out like a

2020
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:25,440
long ruler

2021
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:26,480
and then they were going to put an

2022
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:29,280
electrical charge once it fully rolled

2023
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,159
out

2024
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:32,080
just to see how it operated in space

2025
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,760
basically and that's the extent of my

2026
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:34,960
knowledge on it

2027
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:37,120
but what happened was

2028
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,159
as it got part of the way out

2029
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:42,960
the electrical cable

2030
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,239
for whatever reason snapped

2031
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,480
so it basically drifted away

2032
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,320
and if you like a rubber band

2033
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,800
and it snaps it'll all curl up

2034
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,120
well that's exactly what happened

2035
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:57,600
the tether this 12 mile long piece of

2036
01:17:02,630 --> 01:16:59,920
rope for for

2037
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:02,640
for all intense purposes snapped away

2038
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:04,800
coiled up and then as it drifted away

2039
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:06,719
from the shuttle

2040
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:09,679
it then began to unpeel and go straight

2041
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,880
again

2042
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:12,480
and eventually when they're zooming on

2043
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:14,960
it it's back to like a ruler

2044
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:17,760
and they zoom in and it's nasa's footage

2045
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:19,199
and we'll see what we see in the second

2046
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:20,000
half

2047
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,550
it's gonna stretch out for 12 miles

2048
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:26,000
they're going to put electricity through

2049
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,040
it

2050
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,880
for some weird reason i'm not a

2051
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,800
scientist

2052
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:33,280
the coil breaks unexpectedly

2053
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:36,080
it curls up and it drifts off into space

2054
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:37,440
so if you could imagine you're in

2055
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:39,920
mission control

2056
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:42,239
they're going to be saying yes it's

2057
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:45,520
going to plan oh something's happened

2058
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,640
and it's

2059
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:48,239
coiling away

2060
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:49,440
and they're just

2061
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,239
filming it from the shuttle

2062
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,640
with the voice commander describing what

2063
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,400
he's watching

2064
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:58,719
so this is nasa transmission

2065
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,120
this is nothing to do with cgi

2066
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:03,440
this is nothing to do with us this is a

2067
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:08,630
as it drifts off into space now the

2068
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:10,000
video will come later i'm just going to

2069
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:17,590
so

2070
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:20,070
that's more or less what i said

2071
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:22,159
an astronaut who does the commentary is

2072
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,560
claude nicolia

2073
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,000
and he's basically giving a running

2074
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,480
commentary as the coil

2075
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:30,159
drifts off into space

2076
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:33,600
nasa footage nasa

2077
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:37,910
now

2078
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,679
as i said

2079
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:42,000
eventually from the coil

2080
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:44,800
it starts to spread out

2081
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:48,400
into a long ruler

2082
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,199
12 miles long

2083
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:53,840
and for whatever reason it seems to

2084
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:55,840
attract light

2085
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:58,800
so as they zoom in

2086
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:01,040
if you can imagine um

2087
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:02,640
looking at a ruler

2088
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:04,719
you just got a long

2089
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:06,880
tube

2090
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:09,840
but in reality that is 12 miles long

2091
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:12,560
and the coil has unraveled and is

2092
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:14,320
stretched out

2093
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:15,520
now

2094
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:18,159
before we see the video

2095
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:20,000
what you'll see is

2096
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,520
that they've started to zoom in here

2097
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,159
this is just a frame grab of what they

2098
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:25,920
see

2099
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,960
now these aren't stars

2100
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:31,040
for those of you that haven't seen the

2101
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,080
footage

2102
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,239
as they zoom in

2103
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:36,239
they see

2104
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,520
thousands

2105
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,840
of objects

2106
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:41,360
in the vicinity

2107
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,120
of this 12 mile long object

2108
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,760
and it's akin to looking at pond life

2109
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:49,360
you know you've looked in a pond and

2110
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:50,960
there's little little wormy things

2111
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:53,199
flying around little tiny things

2112
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,280
well it's exactly like that but this is

2113
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,000
in space nasa footage with a nasa

2114
01:20:01,830 --> 01:20:00,400
commentary

2115
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:01,840
now

2116
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,239
it may seem crazy but if that's 12 mile

2117
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,080
long

2118
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:07,760
what we see is when the zoom even

2119
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:09,360
further

2120
01:20:12,630 --> 01:20:11,600
is that all of these things that are

2121
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:12,640
seen

2122
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:14,800
are circular in shape

2123
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:16,719
i love that

2124
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,360
and you'll see this on the video

2125
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,520
now if that's 12 mile long

2126
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,719
that's got to be a good mile or so what

2127
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:27,040
and they're passing in front of

2128
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:28,640
behind it

2129
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,040
now the skeptics will try to say

2130
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:33,679
that this is an illusion

2131
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,320
that actually the passing in front of it

2132
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,239
and they're going to try to say

2133
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:40,320
that what these objects are

2134
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:42,880
when they've zoomed in is nothing more

2135
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:50,390
from the spacecraft

2136
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,600
and it's just

2137
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,440
floating around in space it's just space

2138
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,679
debris that's what's that's what the

2139
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,679
skeptics and nasa will say about all

2140
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,360
this footage they won't actually talk

2141
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:01,040
about it other than saying it's just

2142
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,800
space debris

2143
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,480
well the trouble is

2144
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:06,400
people have watched this footage and you

2145
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:08,159
hear the commentary and it's them

2146
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:10,480
talking about they'll say something like

2147
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:13,040
uh the tethers now 40 miles away from

2148
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,239
the shuttle

2149
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,480
it's now 50 miles away

2150
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:18,960
and then they start zooming in so we're

2151
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,920
already like 50 60 miles away zooming in

2152
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:23,520
when they start seeing these moving

2153
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,040
objects all milling around the subject

2154
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:28,960
but you'll see that these objects are

2155
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,239
not just

2156
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:32,400
round things they've got a wedge shape

2157
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,159
cut out of them

2158
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:36,480
all of them have got a one or some of

2159
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:38,960
them two on the outside

2160
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,239
look like wedges cut out

2161
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,480
and only that when you see some of them

2162
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:47,120
on the video

2163
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:48,320
these are

2164
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,760
if these were just

2165
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:51,280
say it was a piece of

2166
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,639
of

2167
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,639
urine

2168
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,880
deposited out into space

2169
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:58,800
then you would think that the urine

2170
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,920
molecule

2171
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:02,239
would all behave and look like the same

2172
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:03,679
thing

2173
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:06,239
because some of them are actually

2174
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:07,920
rotating

2175
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,239
some of them are pulsing some of them

2176
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:12,880
light emitting

2177
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,800
so it's a very clever p that can do all

2178
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,920
of that

2179
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:17,120
yeah

2180
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:19,360
and it's pretty amazing

2181
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,800
so

2182
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:22,320
i've got a collection of clips that are

2183
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:24,320
not part of the powerpoint but there is

2184
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,320
a clip on this and it's a few minutes

2185
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:28,320
long but we'll we'll look at it if you

2186
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,440
want to see it

2187
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:31,040
but that's amazing and you get this

2188
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:32,800
commentary

2189
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:35,199
and this is like it's 77 nautical miles

2190
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:37,600
from the show he zooms in and it's

2191
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,320
elongated to 12 miles

2192
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,639
numerous objects this is ongoing this is

2193
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,880
many minutes long

2194
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,159
and he's just saying yeah there's some

2195
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,800
debris in front of the camera lens

2196
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:51,440
playing stars

2197
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:53,440
and they do appear to go underneath the

2198
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:54,480
tether

2199
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:57,760
now what people have done since 1996

2200
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,560
is

2201
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:01,199
people have actually tracked

2202
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,880
each of the objects that goes near the

2203
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:05,040
tenor the tether being the long 12 mile

2204
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,239
ruler

2205
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:08,400
and some will go up and zoom off that

2206
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:10,159
way some will go around it and go back

2207
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:11,440
down

2208
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,159
so like they're acting intelligently

2209
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:16,320
curious about what this object in space

2210
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,760
is in their bit of the world

2211
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,080
okay

2212
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,639
like i said if that's 12 miles long

2213
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:26,639
that object there see the wedge cut out

2214
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:27,440
there

2215
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:28,480
and this

2216
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,679
for those at the back of the room can

2217
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:32,000
you see that

2218
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,440
and you'll see one or two of these are

2219
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:35,360
absolutely gigantic

2220
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:37,520
and they are pulsing

2221
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,960
see this little wedge crew out there

2222
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,560
which cut out there

2223
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:44,960
it's almost like a flying donut

2224
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:47,040
but these are pulsing you can see the

2225
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:50,000
light emitting in a circular pattern

2226
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:55,189
and nasa are just saying it's supposed

2227
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,030
so it's a bona fide scientific mission

2228
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:05,600
it's recorded on nasa it's a raw feed

2229
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:09,280
it's not manipulated by us it's not cgi

2230
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:11,360
the commentator

2231
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:13,600
nicole yeah acknowledges that there's

2232
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:20,229
the tracking analysis shows that they're

2233
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:21,760
going in weird wonderful patterns all

2234
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,510
and there's no conventional explanation

2235
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,080
what these objects are

2236
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:32,719
so just in terms of adding this

2237
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:33,600
fifth

2238
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:37,120
leg to my circumstantial picture

2239
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:40,400
i think what you end up is this

2240
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,159
what did i say about the circumstantial

2241
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:44,960
evidence picture at crown court

2242
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,360
if you have enough pieces

2243
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:48,960
of the jigsaw

2244
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:51,760
to create an overwhelming and compelling

2245
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,639
account of what's going on

2246
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:57,600
so in my hypothetical

2247
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,320
court of law situation where i'm arguing

2248
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:02,960
for the reality of ufos extraterrestrial

2249
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,520
craft in our airspace

2250
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,040
the first case

2251
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,440
world war ii sighting 44

2252
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:11,440
with an earlier case in

2253
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,760
this shape huge size metallic structure

2254
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:15,840
no noise possible here

2255
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:17,440
the radials knocked out during that

2256
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:18,719
encounter

2257
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:21,040
now for those of you that are aware

2258
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:22,400
when you were force the scene at close

2259
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,679
proximity

2260
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:25,440
if it's near a car

2261
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:28,239
the headlights fail the engine fails

2262
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,000
ufo goes away

2263
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,400
lights come back on engine start so it's

2264
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,800
called the electromagnetic effect am

2265
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:36,080
effects

2266
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,080
and it also happens to aircraft

2267
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,480
losing instrumentation etc

2268
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:42,400
so that's that so they're all the

2269
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,960
circumstantial pieces that i think are

2270
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,159
evidential that you can present in the

2271
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:48,000
court of law

2272
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:49,199
because there's

2273
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,480
there's documentation to back that up

2274
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,480
we look at the second case of tehran

2275
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,080
ground visuals seen by the air traffic

2276
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:57,920
controllers who then

2277
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:00,320
then dispatch the aircraft you get the

2278
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,000
pilot of the first aircraft seeing the

2279
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,080
visual as it goes away

2280
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,000
these are only some of the points ground

2281
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,159
and air block grounded their radar

2282
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,639
detection throughout it all on radar

2283
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:12,400
ufo movements

2284
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,480
multiple ufos

2285
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,960
remember the the object that is chasing

2286
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,719
and then it dispatches another object

2287
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:22,080
the red object that's on a collision

2288
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:23,920
course and then a green object that goes

2289
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:29,990
ufo landing the green object going out

2290
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,480
of the ground the lit up the ground

2291
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:34,000
like it was daylight

2292
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,080
now many people have talked to me

2293
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,080
personally who said i've had a ufo

2294
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,840
sighting and i saw this object and it

2295
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,840
lit up like in daylight and this is the

2296
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,920
middle of the night

2297
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:45,120
you know we see

2298
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:46,159
um

2299
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,159
lightning and for that blink second it

2300
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,159
lights up can you imagine you're looking

2301
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:52,800
at something and it's like daylight

2302
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:55,520
not just for a split second

2303
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:56,719
that's seen all over the world

2304
01:27:02,229 --> 01:27:00,000
countermeasures the ufo uses

2305
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:02,239
i think electronic countermeasures

2306
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,239
to try to get stop being pursued

2307
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,760
i.e

2308
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,760
uh dispatching the red object on

2309
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:11,520
collision code

2310
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:16,629
then we go to the belgium site and

2311
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:19,360
75-minute dog fight two f-16s

2312
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,960
had already been seen visually on the

2313
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,719
ground by the air traffic controllers

2314
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,000
they're dispatched they don't get a

2315
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,239
visual but all the telemetry data and

2316
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:28,800
red eyes confirm on seven radar

2317
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:30,800
different types rather at one point they

2318
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,840
get lock-ons weapon lock-ons

2319
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:35,360
but the object breaks the weapon

2320
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:37,199
lock-ons

2321
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,080
objects out once you've got a lock on

2322
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,159
you can't really supposed to break it

2323
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,080
in conventional turn well this object

2324
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,560
did it on about 12 or 13 occasions

2325
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,719
during the 75 minutes

2326
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:50,239
it was able to evade through its

2327
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:55,510
nine and a half thousand feet drop at

2328
01:28:01,990 --> 01:27:57,760
one point in five seconds

2329
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:02,000
pull 35 g's at that right angle turned

2330
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:03,760
multiple aircraft so there were two

2331
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,800
people in the f4 phantom

2332
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:08,480
two f4 phantoms

2333
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,440
okay

2334
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:11,040
then we look at rentals from forest

2335
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:12,400
these are evidential points so you could

2336
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,840
point the court of law we've got a

2337
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,280
landed vehicle triangular we've got

2338
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,360
documentary evidence proves it multiple

2339
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:19,199
witnesses trace evidence the ground

2340
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,239
depressions background radiation

2341
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,040
all equilateral triangle

2342
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:27,520
there were broken branches and through a

2343
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:28,480
uh

2344
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,920
latent heat was discovered on a

2345
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:31,520
skyscraper

2346
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,120
which is like uh

2347
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,960
he shows latent heat

2348
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,639
like on the infrared and he showed that

2349
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,560
where the objects had punched through

2350
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,480
the canopy of trees they'd broken some

2351
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,560
ranches off but there was some residue

2352
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:44,560
on the side of the trees that was like

2353
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,760
illuminated under the star scope

2354
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:49,440
now either it was punching down or

2355
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,040
punching up i think it was probably

2356
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:54,239
punctured up out the area

2357
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:57,920
but either way it was uh recorded

2358
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:01,600
unconventional flight characteristics

2359
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,199
the object

2360
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:06,000
on the third night comes towards hull

2361
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,440
stops

2362
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:09,840
puts a beam down

2363
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:11,920
goes out object shoots off and he sees

2364
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,679
multiple objects moving in the sky

2365
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:15,440
making right angle turns all over the

2366
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:16,400
sky

2367
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:18,480
like we're doing a grid pattern

2368
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,149
this is all the three successive knights

2369
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:26,159
displays intelligence

2370
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:27,520
when the beams have been shot into the

2371
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:29,920
nuclear bunker and down at his feet

2372
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,840
that's an intelligent act i don't know

2373
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,440
what it is but it's an intelligent act

2374
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,480
it's done purposely

2375
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,400
we've had since this we've added the

2376
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:40,000
radar confirmations from the robert

2377
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:44,390
the tether

2378
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:47,760
is nasa footage raw commentary

2379
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:52,000
multiple ufos we're talking hundreds

2380
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,239
multiple types of ufos you'll see what i

2381
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:55,679
mean by that

2382
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:56,719
and that

2383
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:58,159
that's during the commentary actually

2384
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,920
acknowledges that it's happened

2385
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,000
that there's something there moving

2386
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:03,840
so that's very important so when you put

2387
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:06,960
all those things together

2388
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:08,400
i think all of those you can take into

2389
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,239
account

2390
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,560
and argue that this is proven

2391
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:14,320
that the circumstantial evidence picture

2392
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:15,840
is real

2393
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:18,400
and yes it is complicated

2394
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:21,280
because under the ufo banner

2395
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:22,800
there are

2396
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:25,040
many different aspects

2397
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,080
animal mutilations crop circles human

2398
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,639
mutilations

2399
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:32,639
possible hybridization

2400
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:34,560
abduction scenario

2401
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:36,719
very complicated and then there are

2402
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:38,320
those people over many many years

2403
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:40,719
including some researchers who will shy

2404
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:42,960
away from this compelling

2405
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,239
evidential evidence that i present

2406
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,480
and have now gone down the line of

2407
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:49,920
our well it's

2408
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:53,600
maybe akin to the spiritual event or

2409
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,960
it's maybe

2410
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:56,880
um

2411
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:59,040
interdimensional now a few years ago

2412
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:00,719
that would have sounded stupid but we're

2413
01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:03,280
now finding through quantum physics

2414
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:05,840
that scientists mainstream scientists

2415
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:08,000
are basically saying that probably multi

2416
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,639
universes all operating at the same time

2417
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:12,400
it's beyond something i can comprehend

2418
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:14,719
but that's what they're saying

2419
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:17,199
and the god particle the higgs boson

2420
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,600
and that and the cern and doing all that

2421
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:21,840
they're basically saying that

2422
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:24,080
there are probably multiple parallel

2423
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:25,280
universes

2424
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:26,639
quite what's in them i don't know but

2425
01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:28,560
they are now accepted through quantum

2426
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:30,320
physics that there may well be many

2427
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:32,320
different dimensions we used to talk

2428
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:34,000
about three or four dimensions now

2429
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:35,440
they're talking about 11 or 12

2430
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:37,040
dimensions

2431
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:38,960
things that are beyond me

2432
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:41,040
but mainstream science is saying is

2433
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:42,960
theoretically possible

2434
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:45,679
so there are definitely many complicated

2435
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:47,920
aspects to it

2436
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:50,400
but when i am asked the question are

2437
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:52,560
ufos real

2438
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:55,280
i have to think in evidential terms

2439
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:57,120
because i want to reach not the people

2440
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:59,199
in this room i want to reach the people

2441
01:32:03,669 --> 01:32:01,040
on the high street who have no idea

2442
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:03,679
about the support and just make them say

2443
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:05,199
well actually you're not being presented

2444
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:06,639
with the best evidence

2445
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:08,880
come and have a look at this

2446
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:10,880
because if you did present this kind of

2447
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:12,719
best evidence

2448
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:14,560
i think any intelligent person would

2449
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:16,639
have to conclude that what we're being

2450
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:19,440
told isn't the full truth

2451
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:21,120
because what else could it be doesn't

2452
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:23,920
make sense otherwise

2453
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:26,320
the only explanation can be that

2454
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,239
somebody doesn't want you to know the

2455
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:30,320
reality of what's going on

2456
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:32,080
now there are many many reasons for that

2457
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:33,920
which i'll talk about later

2458
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,480
yeah because it is complicated but in

2459
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:38,639
terms of this lecture

2460
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:41,120
i think all of those five cases

2461
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,800
demonstrate in different ways

2462
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:46,960
a lot of evidence that you could produce

2463
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,600
in a hypothetical court of law

2464
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:51,600
that we will get a jury

2465
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:52,960
to say

2466
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:55,679
yeah that's reasonable evidence yeah i

2467
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:00,709
it's never going to happen

2468
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:02,480
but we're asked all the time journalists

2469
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:06,480
come up to me all the time what evidence

2470
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,159
they just understand they don't

2471
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:10,480
understand what evidence is

2472
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:12,239
but everything i've presented to you is

2473
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:13,600
evidence that would stand up in a court

2474
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:14,639
of law

2475
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:17,440
demonstrable multiple witnesses multiple

2476
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:22,320
documentary radar confirmations etc etc

2477
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:24,800
all of this is real but you see what

2478
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,880
they really mean when somebody says to

2479
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:28,800
you in the media

2480
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:30,880
what evidence they mean show me the

2481
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:32,480
spacecraft

2482
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:36,880
that's what they mean

2483
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:40,000
and until these people are shown the

2484
01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:42,000
spacecraft on the piece of spacecraft

2485
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:44,239
for them there's no way this could ever

2486
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:45,840
be real

2487
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:48,480
but we are actually on a ticking time

2488
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:49,440
clock

2489
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:51,199
and many of the people in this room will

2490
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,120
hopefully be around

2491
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:55,360
when it happens but and i'll talk about

2492
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,719
it more at the end but by 2033

2493
01:34:02,070 --> 01:34:00,480
i think this will be a done deal and

2494
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:02,080
everybody will know

2495
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:04,639
why because mainstream science said two

2496
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,000
years ago

2497
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:08,880
and when i say mainstream i mean bbc itv

2498
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:11,040
terrestrial tv science all around the

2499
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,000
world

2500
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:15,199
basically said that with the new radio

2501
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:17,280
radio telescopes coming online around

2502
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,000
the world that within 20 years of 2013

2503
01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:24,000
an intelligent

2504
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:25,199
signal

2505
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,639
will be detected in the universe

2506
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:30,480
so the mainstream have actually set the

2507
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:32,800
disclosure clock running

2508
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:35,120
nothing to do with us

2509
01:34:39,910 --> 01:34:37,760
they have said that within 20 years

2510
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:39,920
mainstream astronomers through new radio

2511
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:41,600
telescopes are going to get an

2512
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:43,040
intelligent signal

2513
01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:45,840
so the furthest using that equation

2514
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:48,639
we've got 2033

2515
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:50,800
so a lot of the people in this room will

2516
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:52,719
hopefully all of you hopefully be here

2517
01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:58,709
and if we are

2518
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:01,520
the whole world is gonna have to gear up

2519
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,920
to one hell of a shock

2520
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:05,360
because the people in this room are to

2521
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,000
be applauded your blinkers

2522
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:10,560
have been raised a little

2523
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:12,960
so you're actually having an open mind

2524
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:15,520
to come and listen to some guy like me

2525
01:35:21,110 --> 01:35:19,280
telling you about supported evidence

2526
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,120
the real blinkers on for most of the

2527
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,520
people out there who subliminally have

2528
01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:25,920
been told for the last 60 odd years that

2529
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:28,239
there is nothing to this subject who go

2530
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:30,480
around their lives thinking we're all

2531
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,800
crazy

2532
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:34,480
but that's fine

2533
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:37,440
because they don't know any different

2534
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:39,679
and they have been given a subliminal

2535
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:43,280
message through tv radio newspapers

2536
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:44,239
books

2537
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:46,639
since 1953.

2538
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:49,040
does anybody know what happened in 1953

2539
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:56,470
there was something

2540
01:36:02,870 --> 01:35:59,760
actually real that happened in 1953.

2541
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:02,880
in 1953 the cia

2542
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:07,350
commissioned

2543
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:10,719
a panel of top scientists

2544
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,920
under a guy called hp

2545
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:15,600
roberts

2546
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:17,280
top scientists of the day to come

2547
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:18,239
together

2548
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:19,440
and their

2549
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:20,960
mission

2550
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:22,960
was to and it's all down in

2551
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:25,840
documentation it's been released since

2552
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:27,360
it's not classified anymore it was

2553
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:29,440
secret for a long time it's now

2554
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:30,800
declassified

2555
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:33,199
and it basically says in 1953 we get all

2556
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:34,880
these scientists together and we are

2557
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:37,679
gonna work to strip

2558
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:40,800
the aura of flying sources which is the

2559
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:43,360
term of the day in the 50s

2560
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:47,440
and we are going to debunk this subject

2561
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,149
so in 1953

2562
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,159
whilst there was some secrecy before

2563
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,639
that was the final nail in the coffee

2564
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,320
american lead

2565
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:02,159
and we always follow america's lead

2566
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,990
america is the most secret government in

2567
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:09,920
the world on the ufos

2568
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:12,480
it owns the subject worldwide apart from

2569
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:16,000
maybe russia and china

2570
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:17,840
whenever a sighting takes place anywhere

2571
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:19,600
around the world that's a good one the

2572
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,000
americans turn up

2573
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,400
almost certainly they do have crashed

2574
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,320
recovered ufos

2575
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:29,199
and there is a really good strong case

2576
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,560
to say that they've been able to

2577
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:34,719
re-engineer back engineer

2578
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:37,440
some of the hardware and they might have

2579
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,880
equivalent of what we now see as

2580
01:37:42,149 --> 01:37:40,639
man-made ufos

2581
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:42,159
but not in the numbers that they talk

2582
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:43,679
about

2583
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:45,760
most of et but i think that we probably

2584
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,239
do have some man-made ufos based on

2585
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:50,800
reversed engineered crashed alien

2586
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:52,719
technology because that's what we try to

2587
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:53,520
do

2588
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:55,920
makes sense we try to make it work

2589
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:57,760
and people talk about roswell as an

2590
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:00,960
offshoot from that is people talk about

2591
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:03,280
the transistors of the 50s and radios

2592
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:05,119
big transistors

2593
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,400
and then suddenly

2594
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:08,639
literally just 20 years later we've got

2595
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:11,600
the first microchip

2596
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:13,119
the scene under a microscope and there's

2597
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,840
all little moving

2598
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:17,440
parts we made a massive jump in

2599
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:18,800
technology

2600
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,440
people say that the circuit board came

2601
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,760
from roswell people say that night

2602
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:25,440
vision equipment

2603
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,159
reverse engineered from roswell

2604
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:30,400
people say fibre optics

2605
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:32,159
and we have those nice lights that go

2606
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:35,440
around change color light stem fiber

2607
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:38,480
optics came from crushed useful

2608
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:39,679
technology

2609
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:41,520
people say that kevlar

2610
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:43,920
ammo came from reverse engineering i

2611
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,000
don't know for certain but it would make

2612
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,320
sense but if we did have a crash we

2613
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:50,719
would try to make parts of it work

2614
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:52,400
and what they do and this has been

2615
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:54,719
acknowledged by many military people is

2616
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,719
it's what's called special

2617
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,560
access

2618
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:00,719
and basically what they would do is take

2619
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:02,960
a piece of hardware that was crashed and

2620
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:05,360
they'd give it to one major

2621
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,960
industrial corporation and say try to

2622
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,800
make that bit work then they go to

2623
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,400
another different types and try to make

2624
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,639
that work all done

2625
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,960
independent of each other none of them

2626
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:17,040
knowing where this piece of hardware

2627
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:18,639
came from just told its secret

2628
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:20,400
technology trying to make it work

2629
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:21,520
they're probably all thinking it like

2630
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,760
slowly or whatever

2631
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:24,960
sooner or later they're going to get

2632
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:28,000
some success and from that we start to

2633
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:29,920
re-engineer

2634
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:31,920
special access programs being widely

2635
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,480
acknowledged by military whistleblowers

2636
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:36,320
special access programs

2637
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:39,760
black budgets we're all aware of that

2638
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:40,960
yeah

2639
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:42,880
so going back to this before i start

2640
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:49,830
when i as a former detective

2641
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:52,320
put all this together

2642
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:56,159
i think it's overwhelming compelling

2643
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,320
that these best types of evidence just

2644
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:00,159
to five cases

2645
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:02,880
would be enough to convince me in a jury

2646
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,280
that some ufos i repeat some

2647
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,360
actual machines

2648
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:12,159
or pro operating with intelligence

2649
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,440
yeah

2650
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:15,760
okay so thank you for that

2651
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:27,109
thank you all right so

2652
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:28,719
let's come out of that let's go into

2653
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,510
okay

2654
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,669
can i do them in any random order

2655
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:39,280
well by the way have you got sound

2656
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:41,679
attached to this

2657
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,239
you sure yeah

2658
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:46,639
do you want to put me on this oh

2659
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:48,480
the protector am i going to get sound

2660
01:40:52,629 --> 01:40:51,280
now um it doesn't matter when we come to

2661
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:52,639
the tether

2662
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:55,520
but this is uh the tehranian incident

2663
01:41:03,030 --> 01:40:59,590
yeah you probably don't sound but

2664
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:03,040
basically what this was a uh

2665
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:04,719
a panel

2666
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,750
no i don't think you've probably got a

2667
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:15,199
sound

2668
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:17,360
but this is the actual pilot

2669
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:19,199
who got in that dog fight

2670
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:20,960
where the red object comes at him and

2671
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:23,760
he's a general now retired as a general

2672
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:26,960
how many generals go on record

2673
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:29,280
he was a top military pilot

2674
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,440
and that's in giving his testimony at

2675
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:33,520
the washington press club in washington

2676
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:34,880
dc

2677
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:36,800
now the national press club is two

2678
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:38,000
blocks

2679
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,080
short of the white house very close to

2680
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:41,840
it and i've appeared and spoken there

2681
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:44,480
twice at the same podium so this is

2682
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,800
really a serious place

2683
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:48,960
and this was a i think probably in about

2684
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,760
2006 he gave his testimony

2685
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,239
on video to the press

2686
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,800
don't make front page news might match

2687
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:59,280
page 19 although won't go to him they'll

2688
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:02,000
go to somebody who's less than famous

2689
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,760
lesser well-known they don't present the

2690
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,600
best evidence it's hidden away in the

2691
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:07,440
middle of the paper and a little article

2692
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:10,080
that's how they do it that's

2693
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,800
part of his jafari so a real person

2694
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:14,639
stand up in a court of law and tell us

2695
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:25,109
now let me just show you this this is

2696
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:27,199
just again to prove that we have this

2697
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:28,480
that we could present in the court of

2698
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,629
again you're not gonna have the sound

2699
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:34,719
but this is the guy

2700
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:37,280
who's the top belgian radar expert

2701
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,480
brought in

2702
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:40,239
to work with the belgian

2703
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:42,800
military radar experts so again

2704
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,639
what i'm saying is this is a guy who's

2705
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,639
gone on record who says i'm the guy

2706
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,480
brought in to examine this and this was

2707
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:50,480
real and he does this drawing which is

2708
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,960
our quoted in the thing at the end of it

2709
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,960
he basically says

2710
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,800
i think this is extraterrestrial he's

2711
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,470
okay so that's a great bit of testimony

2712
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:04,719
but it's backing up these five cases

2713
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:06,159
okay

2714
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:16,629
oh

2715
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:18,639
right let's just press pause now you

2716
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:21,600
might just want to get closer

2717
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:22,880
okay

2718
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:25,760
this is a short clip but basically

2719
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:30,149
i've got actually a longer sequence so

2720
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,760
you're going to get better quality

2721
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:34,000
well that's the 12 mile long length the

2722
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:35,520
zoomed in and all these objects moving

2723
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:37,920
around see the wedge cut out central

2724
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:39,920
hole and this is pulsing you'll see this

2725
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:42,320
on a better clip this is just a short

2726
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:44,080
clip but i'll get you a better clip

2727
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:46,080
because they're on a different flat

2728
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:48,080
but basically let's just run that and

2729
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:51,199
you can see there's an object moving

2730
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,199
another one down there another one

2731
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:55,600
shooting in here

2732
01:44:01,270 --> 01:43:57,760
and this is very poor quality the better

2733
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,709
but bear in mind there's nothing in

2734
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,320
space

2735
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:06,880
that's what we're told

2736
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,480
well it's got definition it's got a

2737
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:10,080
wedge

2738
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,520
it's just slowly going around and this

2739
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:13,760
one actually and the longer sequence it

2740
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,920
comes up from here

2741
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:17,360
and then it actually goes to there and

2742
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:20,639
then it goes down

2743
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:22,480
but you'll see now this is just not a

2744
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:24,159
sequence but that's one of the objects

2745
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:28,950
so bear in mind there's nothing out in

2746
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:31,679
space there's nothing out there

2747
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:39,590
right okay so that's that's so let's go

2748
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:41,600
back

2749
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:44,159
whoa here we go

2750
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,480
just uh right i talked to some of the

2751
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,560
people before we came in do you want to

2752
01:45:02,709 --> 01:44:50,719
see that i'll go back and show you the

2753
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:04,390
all right

2754
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,950
this is from sts-48 shuttle mission

2755
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:20,880
and that's not it

2756
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:23,119
this is just the later

2757
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:24,800
but what you're going to get is an

2758
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:26,400
object that does like a right angle turn

2759
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:28,840
in space

2760
01:45:34,550 --> 01:45:32,480
right so all of these objects

2761
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:34,560
are actually

2762
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:36,480
just outside the earth's atmosphere many

2763
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:38,800
of them are moving you see that

2764
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:41,119
you're going to see it again

2765
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:43,040
i don't think that this is uh you know

2766
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:45,440
when they did reagan wanted to do a star

2767
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:47,360
wars program

2768
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:49,119
they reckon that a lot of that was to do

2769
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:51,920
with ufos watch again there's an object

2770
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,840
there there's a flash from the ground

2771
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:55,360
and then it's going to do a right angle

2772
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:56,239
turn

2773
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:00,880
out space and then the flash comes up

2774
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:03,119
directing that was the star wars ronald

2775
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:05,199
reagan star wars pro

2776
01:46:07,910 --> 01:46:06,560
so what can do right and we'll turn

2777
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:07,920
they're trying to say that that's that's

2778
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,920
just p floating in space

2779
01:46:13,109 --> 01:46:11,520
it's just a rocket engine but this is

2780
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:13,119
miles away right so that's another

2781
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:21,430
let's just do them in the order that

2782
01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:23,520
they come down because it's easier

2783
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,440
right this is a daylight sequence of an

2784
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:28,400
object it's a flying earring

2785
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:30,000
this was recorded over england over

2786
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:31,520
portsmouth

2787
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:34,880
in i think about 2003. can you see that

2788
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:36,480
it's got two lights

2789
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,040
it's got a trunk missing out oh but look

2790
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:41,600
it then morphs when it flashes more

2791
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:44,719
lights its shape is rotating on its own

2792
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:47,760
access this is a four minute sequence

2793
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:49,360
see how the the wedge shape there and

2794
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:50,960
then when it flashes to four to five

2795
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:59,109
see how it's changed here

2796
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:00,629
i call it the flying earring but it's

2797
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,560
turning on its own access he didn't fall

2798
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:05,040
into the ground so what's his propulsion

2799
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:07,760
and how can something change shape

2800
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,229
i think that's amazing that's a

2801
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,080
four-minute sequence

2802
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:20,400
why not on the six o'clock news

2803
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:22,719
why just science saying oh that's a

2804
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:24,719
that's interesting that let's find out

2805
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:26,719
what it is

2806
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:28,800
but nobody ever does

2807
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:31,119
right talk about night vision

2808
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:33,280
this is a clip i took myself the very

2809
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:36,960
first time i used my yukon 950

2810
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:38,560
my yukon

2811
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:40,960
uh night range uh

2812
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:43,199
night vision glasses cost 350 quick it's

2813
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,280
got a video out so you can connect it to

2814
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:47,520
a laptop put it on a camera mount and

2815
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:50,000
just pan it's a lot easier right but

2816
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:55,990
right there's an object moving there

2817
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:58,000
it's very faint look at these two

2818
01:48:01,669 --> 01:48:00,000
objects these are just stars

2819
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:01,679
this is a four minute sequence above my

2820
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:04,000
house my previous house in hong kong

2821
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:05,760
last of the summer wines

2822
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:07,760
third of the first object the only scene

2823
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:09,199
very briefly

2824
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,040
and then you've got these two objects

2825
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:13,440
now they're almost like

2826
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:15,040
tethered but they're not these are stars

2827
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,159
between them

2828
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:18,960
this lasts for four minutes

2829
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,880
they're bright there's no noise these

2830
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:22,480
aren't high altitude and they were seen

2831
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,560
visually as well

2832
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:26,480
because when i set it up i'm looking at

2833
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,470
you using the laptop and the tripod

2834
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:34,080
and my stepson

2835
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:35,760
was with me and i said do as a favor

2836
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:37,600
just look over there see if you can see

2837
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:38,560
anything

2838
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:41,360
anyway yeah i could see two things what

2839
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:43,440
and i looked and he could see visually

2840
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:46,000
two objects now i was in the air force

2841
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,199
for six years

2842
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:49,520
planes do not stack like that and this

2843
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:52,400
was at an altitude of say sixty five to

2844
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:54,400
ten thousand feet not high this is not

2845
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:55,840
high altitude

2846
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:58,159
like this kind of angle

2847
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,880
50 60 degree angle and there's no noise

2848
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:02,320
whatsoever

2849
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,639
now if you're not familiar with looking

2850
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,480
up at the stars

2851
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:08,960
this is very odd behavior you don't see

2852
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:10,400
pairs

2853
01:49:13,590 --> 01:49:11,520
but

2854
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:13,600
other clips where i've not had the

2855
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:15,920
camera fitted to record

2856
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:18,239
i've seen multiple objects well this is

2857
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:21,360
one sequence where i caught something

2858
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:23,440
now what just angles over the sky

2859
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:24,880
stacked on top of each other and that

2860
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:26,159
one will actually

2861
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:29,520
get on top of it and come further around

2862
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:31,920
but if you try to look at the

2863
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:34,159
the orientation you think well it's

2864
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:35,199
going there and it's going to go over

2865
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,960
there but then it's going down so it's

2866
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:39,040
starting over here

2867
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:41,280
and then he starts to go down and it's

2868
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:42,400
the orientation

2869
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,080
from where you're looking but you can

2870
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:46,400
try and work out where it's going to go

2871
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:48,000
and then you'll see that it actually

2872
01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:48,880
will

2873
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,709
planes do not maneuver that way

2874
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,480
they were by far the brightest things

2875
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:00,400
other than the one or two major major

2876
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:01,760
stars

2877
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:04,560
so that for me is a total no

2878
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:07,119
planes do not fly stacked

2879
01:50:09,590 --> 01:50:08,159
now it's an

2880
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:09,600
interesting thing that during this

2881
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:11,360
sequence

2882
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:13,520
and i didn't notice it the first time

2883
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,280
you've actually got one possibly two

2884
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:17,920
objects moving very faint going this way

2885
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,119
further on in the sequence

2886
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:23,440
if you look particularly bright star

2887
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:26,639
see how that's now got more stacked

2888
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:27,520
now

2889
01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:29,360
if you used to see

2890
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:31,600
things that

2891
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:33,520
there's no cloud whatsoever

2892
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,280
but they've lost some of their dimness

2893
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:36,800
now you can say well they're moving

2894
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:38,719
further away

2895
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,480
but the other stars are not losing

2896
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:42,159
anything and they don't seem to be going

2897
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,310
now what ufos often do is

2898
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:52,639
suddenly just blink out gone

2899
01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:55,360
and what happens after four minutes

2900
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:57,600
is this blinks out

2901
01:51:01,669 --> 01:51:00,800
one links that one now this is not

2902
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:01,679
a

2903
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:08,000
burn from the bottom

2904
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:09,920
they flicker

2905
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:19,350
i think it's around here that basically

2906
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,270
you see how the now each position was

2907
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:30,080
there there it's now almost directly on

2908
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:30,960
top

2909
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:32,400
and then that one all fade out at the

2910
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:34,639
end of the sequence and then a few

2911
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:42,070
third inferno

2912
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:56,550
come on

2913
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:58,709
so that's an interesting clip

2914
01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:01,119
and i was saying to some people

2915
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,119
if you've got a video camera

2916
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:05,360
you can actually get lenses to go on an

2917
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:07,679
infrared lens the green lens which you

2918
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:09,679
screw to the front of your video camera

2919
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:11,280
you just set it up and i live where

2920
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:13,040
there's a hill in the background and i

2921
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:15,119
just set it

2922
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:18,320
focusing towards the hill and then about

2923
01:52:23,189 --> 01:52:20,880
a week ago ten days ago we had two

2924
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:23,199
really nice days clear blue sky not a

2925
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,960
cloud in the sky it was really nice blue

2926
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,880
skies the hill in the background i just

2927
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,880
set the camera going day time and it's

2928
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:30,480
got a picture in picture

2929
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:31,520
it's got

2930
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:34,239
um two cameras on the outside of it that

2931
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:36,639
flips out like he's got there he's got a

2932
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:38,960
forward facing camera that so on your

2933
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:40,480
left hand screen

2934
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:42,880
there you're getting normal color normal

2935
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:45,679
view and then the rest of it is green of

2936
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:46,880
the hill

2937
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,520
and the infrared lens

2938
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:51,679
is able to pick up objects that we can't

2939
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:54,320
see in our visible spectrum and at one

2940
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:56,159
point there's several strange things on

2941
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:59,679
it at one point an object just appears

2942
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:01,599
from norway i've not done the editing so

2943
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:03,440
it's not in this sequence

2944
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:04,719
and i'm watching it and it's you can

2945
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:07,360
only really see it on the infrared

2946
01:53:12,229 --> 01:53:08,880
blue screen

2947
01:53:14,070 --> 01:53:12,239
clear sky can't see and then briefly it

2948
01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:14,080
pulses in light

2949
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,000
it then comes into the visible domain on

2950
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:17,920
the blue screen

2951
01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:20,159
maybe for a second and then

2952
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:21,280
it's gone

2953
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,800
but when you play about the sequence

2954
01:53:26,629 --> 01:53:24,560
frame by frame

2955
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:26,639
in the infrared

2956
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:28,000
it's really good

2957
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:29,840
it stunned me because it was not just

2958
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:32,880
one object it then pulsed like a light

2959
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:34,880
bulb came on

2960
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:37,760
in the infrared so i suspect that things

2961
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:40,400
are clearly can be seen

2962
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:42,400
in america

2963
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,199
national geographic h2

2964
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:46,639
history channel

2965
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,480
they love the premise they love my

2966
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:50,320
background

2967
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:52,719
didn't get the series the first time

2968
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:54,560
a year ago

2969
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:57,119
because of my accent

2970
01:54:02,229 --> 01:53:59,599
the american networks

2971
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:02,239
it's gone a year later

2972
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:04,639
they dropped uh part of the story and

2973
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:06,480
added an american researcher called

2974
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,040
erica luke's who's part of newfoundland

2975
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:10,960
she's a state director

2976
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:13,679
and she was good very good american so

2977
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:15,440
it was going to be called from ufo

2978
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:18,480
detective to ufo detectives but i was

2979
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:19,760
going to be the lead and i would write

2980
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:21,119
and present it

2981
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:22,800
love the premise

2982
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:24,400
won't go with max

2983
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:25,440
we'll go

2984
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:27,040
with an american lead and i've said

2985
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:29,040
forget it it's my idea

2986
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:31,520
so it's dead in the water for two years

2987
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:33,440
we're going around all the networks and

2988
01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:35,280
of course america have all the money the

2989
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:37,040
biggest proportion

2990
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:39,760
yeah we had the uk networks on board we

2991
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:41,520
had because what they do is you get an

2992
01:54:44,790 --> 01:54:42,960
amalgam of

2993
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:44,800
budgets but the americans put in the

2994
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:46,239
biggest budgets

2995
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:47,840
and if you don't get them on board the

2996
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:49,360
series ain't going to happen

2997
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,719
so it's dead in the water i found out

2998
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:52,320
about a week ago

2999
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:53,199
but

3000
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:55,199
my accent

3001
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:56,400
i don't think the accident is that

3002
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:59,040
strong but there you go

3003
01:55:04,310 --> 01:55:00,480
yeah yeah

3004
01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:04,320
maybe i should have been in the valleys

3005
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:05,840
but yeah that's exactly what they've

3006
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:08,320
said right all the way to the top

3007
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:10,639
they're like me they like the premise

3008
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:12,080
the americans wouldn't be able to sell

3009
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,920
it because of my accent i even said i'd

3010
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:15,679
have voice chat yeah you could always

3011
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:17,440
water down your accent anyway can you

3012
01:55:20,149 --> 01:55:18,400
yeah

3013
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:20,159
but that's what they're saying so it's

3014
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,440
not going anywhere

3015
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:23,679
but maybe one day as we approach that

3016
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:25,360
2033

3017
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:28,080
because here's the thing

3018
01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:30,080
the mainstream are gonna have to go into

3019
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:31,199
capture

3020
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:33,360
because they have set the clock running

3021
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:34,960
in 2033

3022
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:37,199
but what i suspect will happen that in

3023
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,080
the run up to 2033

3024
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:42,880
the mainstream media gonna have to go

3025
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:44,480
well it's gonna happen in the next year

3026
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:47,360
or two now i think we best re-examine

3027
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:48,880
this subject to ufos because we're gonna

3028
01:55:53,830 --> 01:55:51,920
have to deal with eating contact

3029
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:53,840
but here's the thing they're gonna then

3030
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:55,440
start looking back at the subject with

3031
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,360
proper open eyes this time and thinking

3032
01:56:01,750 --> 01:55:59,040
well maybe these guys were so stupid

3033
01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:01,760
maybe these pilots 5 000 worldwide who

3034
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:04,159
have gone on record 2 000 military 3 000

3035
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:06,960
commercial pilots who've gone on record

3036
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:08,960
maybe they were crazy and they're gonna

3037
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:10,639
have to re-examine it

3038
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:12,080
so suddenly all the people like me and

3039
01:56:14,629 --> 01:56:13,119
you

3040
01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:14,639
who have been open-minded to this for a

3041
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:15,760
long time

3042
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:20,950
yeah and they're going to have to deal

3043
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:22,880
with it but here's the mainstream

3044
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:24,000
problem

3045
01:56:28,750 --> 01:56:27,599
and it's entirely conceivable

3046
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:28,760
say in

3047
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:31,679
2030 three years before that day they

3048
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:34,159
get an intelligent signal to say yeah we

3049
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:36,880
have found a signal and yet we we've

3050
01:56:40,830 --> 01:56:39,440
determined it's an intelligent signal

3051
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:40,840
middle of

3052
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:43,760
norway what happens then

3053
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:46,159
if at the other end when we announce to

3054
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:48,320
the world yes we've got this intelligent

3055
01:56:54,709 --> 01:56:52,239
signal from x how many light years away

3056
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:54,719
what happens if et out there on the

3057
01:56:58,070 --> 01:56:56,560
other end of that goes hey they've just

3058
01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:58,080
announced us

3059
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,320
we'll go there next week

3060
01:57:04,070 --> 01:57:02,400
next week

3061
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:04,080
because they're a million years ahead of

3062
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,000
us in their development

3063
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:08,400
they can make that distance in a week

3064
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:11,199
for what would take us millions of years

3065
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:13,440
but that's a real dilemma that nobody's

3066
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:14,800
thinking about

3067
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:16,719
but it could absolutely be true that

3068
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:18,320
they might be on the other end and go

3069
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:20,000
they've just announced us we're not

3070
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:21,360
secret anymore

3071
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:23,520
the whole world knows hey we'll go there

3072
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:25,679
now and announce ourselves we'll see you

3073
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:30,550
it's a thought in it but if

3074
01:57:35,589 --> 01:57:32,800
this argument of light years does not

3075
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:37,589
because of the differences

3076
01:57:43,990 --> 01:57:38,880
in

3077
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:44,000
the earth is a relatively young

3078
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:46,639
planet going around a relatively young

3079
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:48,239
sun

3080
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:52,800
sequences with all the exoplanets that

3081
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:55,040
have been discovered so far over 2 000

3082
01:57:59,430 --> 01:57:57,679
worldwide so far almost weekly we're

3083
01:58:01,030 --> 01:57:59,440
finding planets that have got this same

3084
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:01,040
kind of ingredients

3085
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:03,119
in the planetaries what the basically

3086
01:58:07,669 --> 01:58:04,840
mainstream is saying now

3087
01:58:09,270 --> 01:58:07,679
is almost for every sun that there is

3088
01:58:11,510 --> 01:58:09,280
every star

3089
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:11,520
there's probably a planetary system of

3090
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:14,719
between six and ten planets going around

3091
01:58:19,430 --> 01:58:16,800
every star

3092
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:19,440
so if you extrapolate that probably one

3093
01:58:24,550 --> 01:58:21,520
or two of them what they're calling the

3094
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:24,560
goldilocks or not too hot not too cold

3095
01:58:29,589 --> 01:58:26,639
may support life

3096
01:58:31,109 --> 01:58:29,599
okay so you just extrapolate that in to

3097
01:58:33,669 --> 01:58:31,119
the milky way

3098
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:33,679
just our bitter neighborhood

3099
01:58:39,030 --> 01:58:35,920
we're talking tens of thousands of

3100
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:39,040
millions of stars we cannot i don't defy

3101
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:41,920
anybody to comprehend how vast space is

3102
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:43,840
that's just in our milky way let alone

3103
01:58:46,870 --> 01:58:45,119
the rest of the universe and the rest of

3104
01:58:48,470 --> 01:58:46,880
the galaxy's itself there

3105
01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:48,480
so what it basically saying is life is

3106
01:58:52,870 --> 01:58:50,400
almost certainly teeming out there now

3107
01:58:55,830 --> 01:58:52,880
what happens if a planet

3108
01:59:00,229 --> 01:58:55,840
has developed a million years ahead

3109
01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:02,629
the developed over millions of years

3110
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:04,960
to where they've got become intelligent

3111
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:06,080
and then they've

3112
01:59:09,189 --> 01:59:07,440
carried on

3113
01:59:13,510 --> 01:59:09,199
well let's turn you around look where we

3114
01:59:16,709 --> 01:59:13,520
have just come in the last 100 years

3115
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:16,719
100 years the wright brothers 1903

3116
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:18,320
look where we are now beyond flying

3117
01:59:29,189 --> 01:59:26,070
who could imagine that the battery power

3118
01:59:30,870 --> 01:59:29,199
in your mobile phone is more powerful

3119
01:59:34,149 --> 01:59:30,880
than what got apollo

3120
01:59:38,390 --> 01:59:36,149
isn't that a weird thought yeah but

3121
01:59:42,550 --> 01:59:38,400
that's how we're fast women and and

3122
01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:42,560
mainstream science cannot even catch up

3123
01:59:46,790 --> 01:59:44,800
we seem to be getting faster and faster

3124
01:59:50,629 --> 01:59:46,800
but that's just in 100 years

3125
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:50,639
in 5 000 years from earth time now if we

3126
01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:52,639
have blown ourselves up

3127
01:59:56,229 --> 01:59:54,560
will we be driving around in

3128
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:56,239
petrol-driven cars

3129
02:00:00,550 --> 01:59:58,239
and flying around in jet engines no we

3130
02:00:02,310 --> 02:00:00,560
will we'd have developed new methods of

3131
02:00:05,270 --> 02:00:02,320
propulsion

3132
02:00:07,270 --> 02:00:05,280
if you take the analogy of

3133
02:00:08,870 --> 02:00:07,280
going to leonardo da vinci who was

3134
02:00:11,189 --> 02:00:08,880
probably the greatest mind of his

3135
02:00:13,990 --> 02:00:11,199
generation and many generations and

3136
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:14,000
giving him an ipad and say leonardo how

3137
02:00:17,830 --> 02:00:15,360
does that work

3138
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:17,840
the gulf is too big

3139
02:00:21,750 --> 02:00:20,400
just in a few hundred years

3140
02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:21,760
you won't be able to work it out i don't

3141
02:00:26,550 --> 02:00:24,800
have a clue it'd be just magic

3142
02:00:28,310 --> 02:00:26,560
wouldn't have a clue and that's just in

3143
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:28,320
a few hundred years but what if you're a

3144
02:00:33,830 --> 02:00:32,159
million years ahead of us in earth time

3145
02:00:35,109 --> 02:00:33,840
you will have developed new methods of

3146
02:00:37,430 --> 02:00:35,119
proportion

3147
02:00:39,430 --> 02:00:37,440
if you look about in our history it used

3148
02:00:41,990 --> 02:00:39,440
to take weeks to cross

3149
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:42,000
from london to new york

3150
02:00:46,870 --> 02:00:43,920
now it can take what three days like

3151
02:00:49,030 --> 02:00:46,880
that the sr-71 could fly could fly

3152
02:00:52,709 --> 02:00:49,040
around the earth and i think in about

3153
02:00:55,830 --> 02:00:52,719
three hours but it's top speed

3154
02:00:57,669 --> 02:00:55,840
and that was in the 50s and 60s

3155
02:00:58,870 --> 02:00:57,679
the world is shrinking as technology

3156
02:01:01,350 --> 02:00:58,880
increases

3157
02:01:02,870 --> 02:01:01,360
it's ridiculous argument and but a lot

3158
02:01:05,270 --> 02:01:02,880
of scientists

3159
02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:05,280
have got a very narrow field of vision

3160
02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:07,360
and they operate within a very

3161
02:01:11,030 --> 02:01:09,040
stringent

3162
02:01:13,270 --> 02:01:11,040
field of reference

3163
02:01:15,589 --> 02:01:13,280
because it's science and it has to be

3164
02:01:17,910 --> 02:01:15,599
demonstrable repeatable etc that's what

3165
02:01:21,030 --> 02:01:17,920
scientists do but they have in reality

3166
02:01:26,149 --> 02:01:24,709
how can we estimate what a civilization

3167
02:01:28,070 --> 02:01:26,159
is capable of

3168
02:01:31,589 --> 02:01:28,080
five thousand years ahead of us

3169
02:01:33,109 --> 02:01:31,599
in developmental terms a thousand years

3170
02:01:34,470 --> 02:01:33,119
five hundred years

3171
02:01:36,390 --> 02:01:34,480
mobile forth

3172
02:01:37,189 --> 02:01:36,400
we're of a generation many of us in this

3173
02:01:39,189 --> 02:01:37,199
room

3174
02:01:40,550 --> 02:01:39,199
we're the last generation who can

3175
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:40,560
remember

3176
02:01:46,070 --> 02:01:43,199
a time without the home computer a time

3177
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:46,080
without a mobile phone

3178
02:01:52,790 --> 02:01:48,320
you remember the big bricks in the 70s

3179
02:01:56,310 --> 02:01:52,800
in the jags big military radio

3180
02:01:58,310 --> 02:01:56,320
look how it is condensing

3181
02:01:59,990 --> 02:01:58,320
just look at memory sticks the first

3182
02:02:01,430 --> 02:02:00,000
memory sticks might be

3183
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:01,440
10 megabytes

3184
02:02:06,470 --> 02:02:04,480
now we're getting 256 megabyte little

3185
02:02:09,669 --> 02:02:06,480
memory sticks that plug in

3186
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:09,679
my first hard drive on a computer was

3187
02:02:14,149 --> 02:02:11,199
750

3188
02:02:18,310 --> 02:02:16,070
and that was the whole operating system

3189
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:18,320
on 750 megabytes and that was about

3190
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:21,280
1997.

3191
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:24,239
it just now we're talking terabytes

3192
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:25,679
crazy

3193
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:27,840
so this argument for

3194
02:02:33,910 --> 02:02:30,840
distances is a weak one in my opinion

3195
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:33,920
yeah so

3196
02:02:37,589 --> 02:02:35,440
on the strength of that

3197
02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:37,599
i'll go into a q a now

3198
02:02:41,430 --> 02:02:39,280
it's five past ten

3199
02:03:02,550 --> 02:02:41,440
how long do you want me to do a q a for

3200
02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:04,550
since you started this journey right

3201
02:03:09,589 --> 02:03:06,719
have you experienced any weird stuff

3202
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:09,599
have you had your phones tapped or no

3203
02:03:15,270 --> 02:03:12,840
anything like that no um but then

3204
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:15,280
again a lot of people said to me keep

3205
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:16,719
your head down gary

3206
02:03:20,310 --> 02:03:18,480
because some researchers have died in

3207
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:20,320
mysterious circumstances but i said well

3208
02:03:23,589 --> 02:03:21,920
if they want to kill me they will and

3209
02:03:25,669 --> 02:03:23,599
it'll make it look like an accident but

3210
02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:25,679
what i say to people is if ever i've

3211
02:03:28,950 --> 02:03:27,520
supposedly committed suicide no for

3212
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:28,960
certain that i've never commit suicide

3213
02:03:31,910 --> 02:03:30,880
yes i never will so if i suddenly turn

3214
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:31,920
up suicide you'll know that it was

3215
02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:34,400
mysterious but the reality is if

3216
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:36,320
somebody wants to take you out

3217
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:38,560
it is like the films somebody can give

3218
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:40,320
you an injection it will register in a

3219
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:42,000
few hours and basically look like you

3220
02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:44,239
died of a heart attack or whatever yeah

3221
02:03:47,510 --> 02:03:45,360
so if they want to take you out they'll

3222
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:47,520
take you out but

3223
02:03:53,830 --> 02:03:50,560
i've met people who become very paranoid

3224
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:53,840
and frank to go out the door almost and

3225
02:03:58,310 --> 02:03:56,000
in reality i'm not prepared to go down

3226
02:04:00,470 --> 02:03:58,320
that line i accept that it's out there

3227
02:04:02,629 --> 02:04:00,480
that it is a bit like jason bourne maybe

3228
02:04:04,629 --> 02:04:02,639
a bit exaggerated but elements of it are

3229
02:04:07,109 --> 02:04:04,639
very real if the intelligence services

3230
02:04:09,270 --> 02:04:07,119
want to take you out the will similarly

3231
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:09,280
i think one day i might get burgled or

3232
02:04:11,589 --> 02:04:10,480
something like that

3233
02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:11,599
but

3234
02:04:17,910 --> 02:04:16,000
fact that i kind of know these things

3235
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:17,920
and i'm so open

3236
02:04:21,589 --> 02:04:20,320
uh hopefully means i'm kind of like

3237
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:21,599
flagging up to people like you that i'll

3238
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:23,280
never commit suicide that kind of thing

3239
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:24,960
so it makes me less of a risk in some

3240
02:04:28,149 --> 02:04:26,480
ways but if they wanted to they could

3241
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:28,159
certainly do it yeah

3242
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:29,280
but i'm not prepared to live in a

3243
02:04:33,350 --> 02:04:30,960
paranoid world

3244
02:04:35,189 --> 02:04:33,360
so any other questions

3245
02:04:37,350 --> 02:04:35,199
yeah but the cylinder

3246
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:37,360
video that you showed

3247
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:39,760
the solicitor harry harris what emil

3248
02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:48,470
cylinder video oh yeah the police

3249
02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:50,480
officers yeah police officers yeah yeah

3250
02:04:54,629 --> 02:04:52,800
rotated on its own axis yeah yeah what

3251
02:04:57,510 --> 02:04:54,639
you described there

3252
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:57,520
i saw exactly the same object in cardiff

3253
02:05:01,109 --> 02:04:59,599
december 2005

3254
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:01,119
well are you going to take my card and

3255
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:03,040
email me about that and fill in a report

3256
02:05:05,589 --> 02:05:04,719
form because i do civilian report forms

3257
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:05,599
as well

3258
02:05:08,550 --> 02:05:07,599
so take a cab email me and start a

3259
02:05:09,910 --> 02:05:08,560
dialogue

3260
02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:09,920
there are always people who come to

3261
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:11,760
lectures

3262
02:05:16,070 --> 02:05:13,360
as daft as it sounds these kind of

3263
02:05:17,510 --> 02:05:16,080
stories are all over the place

3264
02:05:18,950 --> 02:05:17,520
i went to book

3265
02:05:22,629 --> 02:05:18,960
a lecture

3266
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:22,639
theater at the civic hall in home firth

3267
02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:24,159
for a conference it was the first time i

3268
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:26,960
went and i saw the caretaker lady

3269
02:05:29,990 --> 02:05:28,719
and i said uh you're gonna think this is

3270
02:05:32,830 --> 02:05:30,000
a bit strange but i want to book a

3271
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:32,840
lecture for ufos oh no i've seen one

3272
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:35,599
myself and straight where people regale

3273
02:05:39,109 --> 02:05:37,040
into a story

3274
02:05:42,229 --> 02:05:39,119
and then she said hey my husband saw one

3275
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:42,239
as well coming over the hills

3276
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:43,119
and

3277
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:44,239
straight away getting all these

3278
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:46,560
anecdotes now these anecdotes

3279
02:05:51,030 --> 02:05:49,679
are um tremendously important because

3280
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:51,040
they're not just describing lights in

3281
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:53,280
the sky the caretaker actually said that

3282
02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:56,480
when she was a girl 15 16 years old she

3283
02:06:00,709 --> 02:05:58,960
was outside on the doorstep having a

3284
02:06:03,270 --> 02:06:00,719
cheeky cigarette it's a great way to

3285
02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:03,280
remember stuff right cheeky cigarette on

3286
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:04,960
the doorstep there's daylight and she

3287
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:08,400
says this ball of light

3288
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:11,360
came over the rooftops

3289
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:13,040
stopped

3290
02:06:18,310 --> 02:06:17,199
and it was on the opposite side of the

3291
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:18,320
street

3292
02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:21,040
literally just 50 feet away and then it

3293
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:23,040
suddenly went straight

3294
02:06:26,229 --> 02:06:25,040
now why is she going to make up a story

3295
02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:26,239
like that

3296
02:06:30,069 --> 02:06:27,760
she didn't

3297
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:30,079
and i get so many of these stories so

3298
02:06:35,350 --> 02:06:33,199
these anecdotes are real and but my

3299
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:35,360
favorite case is the pilot cases because

3300
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:38,000
they just prove it in one if a pilot in

3301
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:39,599
broad daylight doesn't know what he's

3302
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:41,920
chasing what he's looking at i mean are

3303
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:44,960
you aware that pilots have fired on ufos

3304
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:46,480
in broad daylight

3305
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:48,480
and nothing's happened

3306
02:06:54,950 --> 02:06:51,119
there's a case uh i met the pilot called

3307
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:54,960
colonel oscar santa maria peruvian pilot

3308
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:57,199
gone on the record on video

3309
02:07:02,870 --> 02:06:59,760
all the documents prove it

3310
02:07:06,069 --> 02:07:02,880
and basically in 1980 in daylight he is

3311
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:06,079
sent up to intercept a daylight

3312
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:09,520
radar confirmed ufo that's just hovering

3313
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:11,360
so he sent up like many of these other

3314
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:12,400
cases

3315
02:07:15,510 --> 02:07:13,840
and this is his approach and he's told

3316
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:15,520
to shoot but what he thought was a

3317
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:17,199
balloon because it looked like a balloon

3318
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:19,679
chip a round sphere basically thought it

3319
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:21,840
was a blue and he's told to shoot at it

3320
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:24,320
with his machine gun count so he does he

3321
02:07:28,470 --> 02:07:26,639
shoots off about 64 rounds

3322
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:28,480
and he sees the bullets the tracer hit

3323
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:29,760
this object

3324
02:07:32,709 --> 02:07:31,119
just absorbed

3325
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:32,719
he's thinking he's expecting it to blow

3326
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:33,840
up

3327
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:36,159
but he doesn't he then just goes

3328
02:07:40,470 --> 02:07:37,360
straight up

3329
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:40,480
10 000 feet in about three cents

3330
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:43,040
just jumps straight up not something we

3331
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,000
can do

3332
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:46,560
so he has to get his afterburner on

3333
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:47,760
get up there

3334
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:50,400
to get on another run at it and just as

3335
02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:53,040
he's approaching his run again it goes

3336
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:54,400
another ten thousand feet in three

3337
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:55,840
seconds

3338
02:07:59,830 --> 02:07:58,239
and it eventually does this three times

3339
02:08:02,390 --> 02:07:59,840
taking it beyond the flight ceiling of

3340
02:08:04,550 --> 02:08:02,400
his aircraft

3341
02:08:06,069 --> 02:08:04,560
seventy eighty thousand feet

3342
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,079
gentlemen

3343
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:08,880
why do you think ufos crash if they're

3344
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:11,119
so invulnerable no idea

3345
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:13,280
no idea it's a good question because it

3346
02:08:22,709 --> 02:08:14,480
is

3347
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:22,719
certainly the early crashes they think

3348
02:08:27,510 --> 02:08:25,599
that was an anomaly or side effect of

3349
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:27,520
our radar

3350
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:29,920
that somehow affected the gravitational

3351
02:08:32,470 --> 02:08:30,800
force

3352
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:32,480
that's all that they speculate in the

3353
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:33,840
public domain

3354
02:08:37,910 --> 02:08:35,199
we don't know

3355
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:37,920
in some people whisperers have said that

3356
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:40,320
there was the the radar somehow affected

3357
02:08:43,910 --> 02:08:41,920
the guidance system

3358
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:43,920
of the propulsion system on the ufo

3359
02:08:47,750 --> 02:08:45,199
because we thought think that they're

3360
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:47,760
using engines in a conventional sense we

3361
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:49,280
think that they can do these high speed

3362
02:08:53,589 --> 02:08:51,920
maneuvers because their pull their

3363
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:53,599
propulsion system is based on

3364
02:08:58,629 --> 02:08:56,079
anti-gravity yeah they create a force

3365
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:58,639
field around the edge of the craft so

3366
02:09:01,109 --> 02:08:59,599
therefore

3367
02:09:02,229 --> 02:09:01,119
inside

3368
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:02,239
we're just like flying around at a

3369
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:04,000
million miles an hour and we can do a

3370
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:06,079
right angle turn but there's no inertia

3371
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,679
because it's creating its own

3372
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:09,679
gravitational force

3373
02:09:12,069 --> 02:09:11,199
so wherever it goes you're not affected

3374
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:12,079
by it

3375
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:14,000
that's what they think and this is why

3376
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:16,800
there is this talk about free energy and

3377
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:18,960
another reason why it's secret

3378
02:09:22,470 --> 02:09:21,119
because

3379
02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:22,480
does the government

3380
02:09:26,149 --> 02:09:24,800
i mean people say to me well why don't i

3381
02:09:27,669 --> 02:09:26,159
land on the white house law and well the

3382
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:27,679
obvious answer is if they did they

3383
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:29,840
probably get shot

3384
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:32,400
what you've got to realize is that

3385
02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:33,840
while science

3386
02:09:36,709 --> 02:09:34,880
is quite

3387
02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:36,719
i think arrogant

3388
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:38,159
many scientists will say we're the only

3389
02:09:41,750 --> 02:09:39,840
sentient beings blah blah blah that was

3390
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:41,760
a big argument for many many years

3391
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:43,760
they're moving away from that now but

3392
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:44,880
basically

3393
02:09:48,310 --> 02:09:46,560
on the scheme of things i think we're

3394
02:09:50,950 --> 02:09:48,320
like an ant on the ground in

3395
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:50,960
technological terms in development terms

3396
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:52,560
as to what they are who might be a

3397
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:54,159
million years ahead of us we would be

3398
02:09:57,910 --> 02:09:55,520
like we won't talk to the ant on the

3399
02:09:59,830 --> 02:09:57,920
ground will we because the gulf in

3400
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:59,840
intelligence we would say it was too

3401
02:10:03,189 --> 02:10:00,719
great

3402
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:03,199
or if you know could you talk to them

3403
02:10:06,870 --> 02:10:04,800
it sounds daft but if you've got

3404
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:06,880
something that's so advanced

3405
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:08,560
i think we're very

3406
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,079
primitive

3407
02:10:13,669 --> 02:10:12,000
and we're very warlike

3408
02:10:14,709 --> 02:10:13,679
and we do most of the world is in

3409
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:14,719
turmoil

3410
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:16,320
we kill each other when we could feed

3411
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:18,960
everybody we you know gil the top two

3412
02:10:22,709 --> 02:10:20,960
percent or is it one percent top two

3413
02:10:24,310 --> 02:10:22,719
percent on

3414
02:10:26,629 --> 02:10:24,320
most of the world

3415
02:10:28,550 --> 02:10:26,639
over the 98 that go

3416
02:10:30,310 --> 02:10:28,560
that's not right we could do something

3417
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:30,320
about that but we don't

3418
02:10:34,550 --> 02:10:32,639
it's a whole mess so i think we're very

3419
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:34,560
probably very good reasons why they they

3420
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:36,239
mostly surveilled us

3421
02:10:39,589 --> 02:10:37,599
i think we're very primitive we like

3422
02:10:42,069 --> 02:10:39,599
pond life i think

3423
02:10:43,270 --> 02:10:42,079
actually i disagree with that welcome

3424
02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:43,280
what's your theory

3425
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:44,320
well

3426
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:45,840
i was talking about it today with a

3427
02:10:52,950 --> 02:10:49,440
friend i was reviewing a book i'd read

3428
02:10:56,229 --> 02:10:52,960
childhood zen by arthur c clarke okay

3429
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:56,239
a skeptic by the way ufo skeptic

3430
02:11:02,550 --> 02:10:58,400
no problem with that no

3431
02:11:04,229 --> 02:11:02,560
um the story goes much what you said at

3432
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:04,239
the end it's a twist

3433
02:11:09,030 --> 02:11:07,199
that we are the intelligence we are the

3434
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:09,040
most developed

3435
02:11:12,790 --> 02:11:11,119
aspect

3436
02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:12,800
i think that was a product of his

3437
02:11:17,669 --> 02:11:15,520
generation well actually i kind of agree

3438
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:17,679
i think we are i think the aliens are

3439
02:11:21,030 --> 02:11:19,040
not

3440
02:11:23,830 --> 02:11:21,040
i guess we'll never know oh i think we

3441
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:23,840
will soon well i hope so

3442
02:11:29,270 --> 02:11:26,159
we'll put it this way it is coming

3443
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:29,280
and this is what i say about the 2033.

3444
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:31,360
it's coming yeah i i don't i do agree

3445
02:11:35,830 --> 02:11:33,520
with that and and mainstream are gonna

3446
02:11:37,589 --> 02:11:35,840
have to catch up and readdress how they

3447
02:11:38,950 --> 02:11:37,599
look at this reevaluate how they look at

3448
02:11:41,189 --> 02:11:38,960
this subject because they're going to

3449
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:41,199
have to confront contact and we are

3450
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:44,159
going to be the first people in official

3451
02:11:49,589 --> 02:11:45,760
history

3452
02:11:50,709 --> 02:11:49,599
that deal with contact it's going to

3453
02:11:52,790 --> 02:11:50,719
happen

3454
02:11:55,030 --> 02:11:52,800
in many of our lifetimes for the first

3455
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:55,040
time ever official

3456
02:11:58,870 --> 02:11:57,119
and they always say that

3457
02:12:00,470 --> 02:11:58,880
it will be the biggest

3458
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:00,480
step for mankind

3459
02:12:05,589 --> 02:12:03,360
contact with other species

3460
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:05,599
well that goes on about the human

3461
02:12:09,109 --> 02:12:07,599
species i was talking to somebody the

3462
02:12:10,870 --> 02:12:09,119
other day and they were talking about

3463
02:12:12,629 --> 02:12:10,880
aliens being here

3464
02:12:15,430 --> 02:12:12,639
and they said that they hear but they're

3465
02:12:17,910 --> 02:12:15,440
not allowed to interfere with us

3466
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:17,920
well i guess this goes because

3467
02:12:22,870 --> 02:12:20,400
the process the human body

3468
02:12:24,790 --> 02:12:22,880
the the aliens are not changing i guess

3469
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:24,800
it's only the human bodies and we're

3470
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:26,480
going to go through this process

3471
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:30,320
ourselves the the on the abduction side

3472
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:33,520
there are many accounts that um

3473
02:12:37,589 --> 02:12:35,360
there's a lot of aspects to it it's very

3474
02:12:39,430 --> 02:12:37,599
complicated but there would certainly

3475
02:12:40,310 --> 02:12:39,440
appear to be

3476
02:12:42,310 --> 02:12:40,320
some

3477
02:12:44,310 --> 02:12:42,320
alien species are interested in

3478
02:12:47,830 --> 02:12:44,320
reproductive organs

3479
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:47,840
hybridization fetuses being removed from

3480
02:12:52,550 --> 02:12:50,239
abductees and then later on being

3481
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:52,560
reunited with them every few years

3482
02:12:56,229 --> 02:12:55,520
when they see these half human so that

3483
02:12:57,589 --> 02:12:56,239
is

3484
02:12:58,709 --> 02:12:57,599
common all around the world even in

3485
02:13:01,109 --> 02:12:58,719
third world

3486
02:13:03,990 --> 02:13:01,119
where there's no access to media so this

3487
02:13:05,350 --> 02:13:04,000
is real we can't make it up

3488
02:13:07,030 --> 02:13:05,360
you know how can somebody in the middle

3489
02:13:11,669 --> 02:13:07,040
of the amazon

3490
02:13:13,910 --> 02:13:11,679
with no access to tv radio newspapers

3491
02:13:15,430 --> 02:13:13,920
effectively a third world person

3492
02:13:17,589 --> 02:13:15,440
recount the same

3493
02:13:19,589 --> 02:13:17,599
event of being taken on board something

3494
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:19,599
and being medically examined where did

3495
02:13:24,629 --> 02:13:22,320
they get that infrastructure from

3496
02:13:27,030 --> 02:13:24,639
it's justification

3497
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:27,040
right go on

3498
02:13:47,270 --> 02:13:43,669
can be defined in one particular

3499
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:49,270
right

3500
02:13:59,350 --> 02:13:57,679
reynolds

3501
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:59,360
in essence when you look at the evidence

3502
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:00,560
randall from forest the fact that it's

3503
02:14:04,950 --> 02:14:02,400
over three days don't matter

3504
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:04,960
i cut to the chase of evidence straight

3505
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:06,159
away

3506
02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:08,880
it all hinges on whether it's ufos or

3507
02:14:13,669 --> 02:14:10,400
not

3508
02:14:17,350 --> 02:14:13,679
on one aspect

3509
02:14:19,030 --> 02:14:17,360
does colonel holt on the third night

3510
02:14:20,870 --> 02:14:19,040
with his four other

3511
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:20,880
officers a lieutenant and three

3512
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,239
sergeants

3513
02:14:26,550 --> 02:14:24,000
are they in a field

3514
02:14:28,390 --> 02:14:26,560
when an object comes towards them

3515
02:14:31,109 --> 02:14:28,400
stops above their heads at a thousand

3516
02:14:33,030 --> 02:14:31,119
feet and casts down a laser beam

3517
02:14:35,270 --> 02:14:33,040
at their feet

3518
02:14:37,750 --> 02:14:35,280
there's only two alternatives

3519
02:14:40,550 --> 02:14:37,760
either holt and his team

3520
02:14:42,709 --> 02:14:40,560
are lying

3521
02:14:44,470 --> 02:14:42,719
or it happened

3522
02:14:46,950 --> 02:14:44,480
and if it happened

3523
02:14:49,270 --> 02:14:46,960
it ain't a lighthouse

3524
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:49,280
because what light out and stop above

3525
02:14:53,830 --> 02:14:51,760
your head and put a beam down

3526
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:53,840
so you just take one little piece of it

3527
02:14:57,589 --> 02:14:55,840
and the lighthouse theory is evaporated

3528
02:14:59,589 --> 02:14:57,599
but let me just tell you a side effect

3529
02:15:00,550 --> 02:14:59,599
of this i've done many documentaries

3530
02:15:02,229 --> 02:15:00,560
over the years

3531
02:15:04,629 --> 02:15:02,239
some with the terrestrial tvs like

3532
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:04,639
channel four channel time right the last

3533
02:15:08,950 --> 02:15:06,480
two i've got involved in channel 4 and

3534
02:15:10,470 --> 02:15:08,960
channel 5 i said to them

3535
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:10,480
you've not got a very good record of

3536
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:13,119
doing decent documentaries on the ufos

3537
02:15:16,069 --> 02:15:14,480
and they go oh yeah yeah no we're

3538
02:15:17,990 --> 02:15:16,079
serious about this one we're going to

3539
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:18,000
subscribe oh great okay i said i'll tell

3540
02:15:24,470 --> 02:15:19,840
you i'll give you a challenge

3541
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:24,480
i said i will give you a world exclusive

3542
02:15:28,950 --> 02:15:26,880
but i'm saying to you you will not use

3543
02:15:31,189 --> 02:15:28,960
it in the final edit

3544
02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:31,199
well we will we will we will

3545
02:15:34,830 --> 02:15:33,280
i said here's the challenge then i'm

3546
02:15:38,069 --> 02:15:34,840
going to show you the

3547
02:15:40,069 --> 02:15:38,079
field where i went with colonel holt

3548
02:15:41,270 --> 02:15:40,079
i've identified the field nobody else

3549
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:41,280
has

3550
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:42,960
this is the field where the being came

3551
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,840
down

3552
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:45,599
at his feet i'll take you to that

3553
02:15:49,589 --> 02:15:47,840
location it's never been shown in any

3554
02:15:51,510 --> 02:15:49,599
documentary are you interested oh yeah

3555
02:15:53,430 --> 02:15:51,520
yeah we're interested

3556
02:15:55,510 --> 02:15:53,440
should we go film it

3557
02:15:56,790 --> 02:15:55,520
is it in the final edit

3558
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:56,800
no

3559
02:16:02,790 --> 02:15:59,599
who wins the bet me why

3560
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:02,800
clever editing because in the final bit

3561
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:04,400
the presenter goes

3562
02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:05,440
so

3563
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:08,239
multiple knights multiple witnesses was

3564
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:09,679
it a ufo

3565
02:16:18,550 --> 02:16:16,149
they could not have used that open-ended

3566
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:18,560
lighthouse bit if they'd have included

3567
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:19,840
that sequence

3568
02:16:29,510 --> 02:16:27,030
well that's the whole point

3569
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:29,520
is the thing is halt used to take people

3570
02:16:34,629 --> 02:16:32,479
out to the lighthouse for a visit so he

3571
02:16:36,469 --> 02:16:34,639
knew where it was and in reality in the

3572
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:36,479
weapons storage area

3573
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:38,080
which i worked on two of them at

3574
02:16:43,669 --> 02:16:40,880
huntington in suffolk same county and in

3575
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,679
la brooke in what was then west germany

3576
02:16:47,669 --> 02:16:45,359
you have

3577
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:47,679
the weapon storage area of the bunkers

3578
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:49,439
and in the middle of it or at one end of

3579
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:50,639
it there is

3580
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:52,719
at least one tower

3581
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:56,960
that's manned 24 7 365 years right

3582
02:17:02,469 --> 02:17:00,559
the site is about 38 to 48 30 to 40

3583
02:17:05,030 --> 02:17:02,479
people on shift at any one time that

3584
02:17:07,750 --> 02:17:05,040
proves the numbers alone reynolds

3585
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:07,760
because the conventional bomb dump 102

3586
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:10,479
yeah gods

3587
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:14,479
nuclear weapons garden 365 24 7

3588
02:17:19,030 --> 02:17:17,840
38 30 to 40 per shift

3589
02:17:22,070 --> 02:17:19,040
all right

3590
02:17:24,709 --> 02:17:22,080
so the numbers were mixed up but the

3591
02:17:26,790 --> 02:17:24,719
tower they have one towel that's higher

3592
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:26,800
that's about 80 feet high

3593
02:17:31,509 --> 02:17:29,359
and it's purposely higher so that has a

3594
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:31,519
full 360

3595
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:33,679
for the guy in the towel and in the top

3596
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:35,599
of the tower they have a miniature

3597
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:38,960
layout of the entire site like a model

3598
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:43,439
and it has all the alarm settings

3599
02:17:47,990 --> 02:17:46,000
that can be triggered by rabbits

3600
02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:48,000
because it's the microwave

3601
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:49,679
right because they have an outer sterile

3602
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:51,439
fence in the inner front

3603
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:53,679
and it's microwaved so if anybody tries

3604
02:17:58,230 --> 02:17:55,439
to break through the fence it triggers

3605
02:18:00,389 --> 02:17:58,240
an alarm the alarm is triggered on this

3606
02:18:02,549 --> 02:18:00,399
big board so the guy in the top of the

3607
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:02,559
tower is 80 feet the trees are not

3608
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:04,880
allowed to go more than 40 feet

3609
02:18:10,629 --> 02:18:08,559
so he gets the perspective of 360. so

3610
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:10,639
the guy in the tower

3611
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:12,399
knows where the offered left lighthouse

3612
02:18:16,950 --> 02:18:14,639
is every shift is up there because he

3613
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:16,960
goes lighter

3614
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:19,679
oh good look that's the lighthouse

3615
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:20,719
yeah

3616
02:18:25,429 --> 02:18:23,760
every five seconds oh look it's light

3617
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:25,439
it was they all knew where it was but

3618
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:26,800
nobody talks about the weapons story

3619
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:29,359
jeremy because it's too sensitive nobody

3620
02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:30,880
wants to go near nuclear weapons because

3621
02:18:35,750 --> 02:18:33,760
it broke all the admin agreements

3622
02:19:04,709 --> 02:18:35,760
hence why nobody will cover these

3623
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:06,469
but that doesn't mean to say that he

3624
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:07,840
actually had it

3625
02:19:12,790 --> 02:19:10,880
now it but it does actually refer to a

3626
02:19:13,750 --> 02:19:12,800
location called high brazil which is

3627
02:19:15,669 --> 02:19:13,760
island

3628
02:19:17,429 --> 02:19:15,679
west seven locations it refers to

3629
02:19:18,629 --> 02:19:17,439
including yeah

3630
02:19:20,709 --> 02:19:18,639
uh so you've got not you've got no

3631
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:20,719
feedback of further information on that

3632
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:21,599
whether

3633
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:23,359
you don't believe it

3634
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:26,080
i'm a detective yeah right

3635
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:27,920
um

3636
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:31,120
his reasons he claimed on the 30th

3637
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:34,880
anniversary yeah conference so for 30

3638
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:37,120
years he kept this secret even from john

3639
02:19:42,309 --> 02:19:40,240
burroughs who was with him

3640
02:19:44,629 --> 02:19:42,319
he he yeah and he suddenly came out with

3641
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:44,639
his binary card yeah yeah anybody

3642
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:47,120
but you know right now

3643
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:49,040
i think by then

3644
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:50,880
penis had some issues with drink and

3645
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:52,720
blah blah blah

3646
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:55,920
i hope the camera's not going in

3647
02:20:01,429 --> 02:19:59,200
you're not recording no good uh but

3648
02:20:03,510 --> 02:20:01,439
yeah i've met penis yeah right he went

3649
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:03,520
off the rails bit he was a brilliant

3650
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:05,359
witness at the time

3651
02:20:08,469 --> 02:20:07,439
but later on

3652
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:08,479
i think

3653
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:10,880
he's got dazzled as the case became more

3654
02:20:13,349 --> 02:20:12,160
famous

3655
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:13,359
people are saying oh we'll make a

3656
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:15,280
feature film of this oh you're one of

3657
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:18,479
the key stories and i think the

3658
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:21,200
through whatever money started to go so

3659
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:23,120
what better could he do

3660
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:25,680
come up with this binary chords whoa wow

3661
02:20:29,030 --> 02:20:27,040
and all these

3662
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:29,040
linda molten how had the binary chords

3663
02:20:33,670 --> 02:20:31,600
as well yeah right

3664
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:33,680
the reality is that in his pocketbook it

3665
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:35,280
was a click pocketbook

3666
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:37,280
you can take pages out and put them in

3667
02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:39,280
it want a proper bandage

3668
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:40,000
right

3669
02:20:43,590 --> 02:20:41,920
colonel holt when i heard about this

3670
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:43,600
brand record

3671
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:45,280
i said to him what do you think the band

3672
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:47,520
record he says don't believe it she said

3673
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:48,960
i've looked through that pocket loads of

3674
02:20:52,070 --> 02:20:50,000
times

3675
02:20:54,230 --> 02:20:52,080
i've never seen any bad record pages he

3676
02:20:56,150 --> 02:20:54,240
said there were six pages then already

3677
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:56,160
short he said there were ten pages then

3678
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:57,359
on another radio show you said there

3679
02:21:02,630 --> 02:21:00,319
were 12 pages well i think i'd know

3680
02:21:04,150 --> 02:21:02,640
if there was 6 12 or 10.

3681
02:21:06,309 --> 02:21:04,160
on the strength of that

3682
02:21:07,990 --> 02:21:06,319
i'll go into a q a now

3683
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:08,000
it's five past ten

3684
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:10,080
how long do you want me to do a q a for

3685
02:21:31,270 --> 02:21:23,990
all right well

3686
02:21:35,429 --> 02:21:33,590
since you started this journey right

3687
02:21:38,309 --> 02:21:35,439
have you experienced any weird stuff

3688
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:38,319
have you had your phones tapped or

3689
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:42,880
anything like that no um but then again

3690
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:44,080
a lot of people said to me keep your

3691
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:45,439
head down gary

3692
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:47,200
because some researchers have died in

3693
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:49,040
mysterious circumstances but i said well

3694
02:21:52,309 --> 02:21:50,560
if they want to kill me they will and

3695
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:52,319
it'll make it look like an accident but

3696
02:21:56,230 --> 02:21:54,399
what i say to people is if ever i've

3697
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:56,240
supposedly committed suicide know for

3698
02:21:59,110 --> 02:21:57,280
certain that i've never committed

3699
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:59,120
suicide yes i never will so if i

3700
02:22:02,710 --> 02:22:00,399
suddenly turn up suicide you'll know

3701
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:02,720
that it was mysterious but the reality

3702
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,040
is if somebody wants to take you out

3703
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:07,280
it is like the films somebody can give

3704
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:09,040
you an injection it will register in a

3705
02:22:12,870 --> 02:22:10,720
few hours and basically look like you

3706
02:22:14,070 --> 02:22:12,880
died of a heart attack or whatever yeah

3707
02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:14,080
so if they want to take you out they'll

3708
02:22:19,270 --> 02:22:16,240
take you out but

3709
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:19,280
i've met people who become very paranoid

3710
02:22:24,710 --> 02:22:22,479
and frank to go out the door almost and

3711
02:22:26,950 --> 02:22:24,720
in reality i'm not prepared to go down

3712
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:26,960
that line i accept that it's out there

3713
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:29,200
that it is a bit like jason bourne maybe

3714
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:31,359
a bit exaggerated but elements of it are

3715
02:22:35,750 --> 02:22:33,359
very real if the intelligence services

3716
02:22:37,990 --> 02:22:35,760
want to take you out the will similarly

3717
02:22:40,309 --> 02:22:38,000
i think one day i might get burgled or

3718
02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:40,319
something like that but

3719
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:42,640
i'm not going to worry about it no but

3720
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:44,640
the fact that i can and all these things

3721
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:46,640
and i'm so open

3722
02:22:50,230 --> 02:22:48,960
uh hopefully means i'm kind of like

3723
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:50,240
flagging up to people like you that i'll

3724
02:22:53,670 --> 02:22:52,000
never commit suicide that kind of thing

3725
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:53,680
so it makes me less of a risk in some

3726
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:55,200
ways but if they wanted to they could

3727
02:22:59,670 --> 02:22:57,200
certainly do it yeah but i'm not

3728
02:23:02,830 --> 02:22:59,680
prepared to live in a paranoid world

3729
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:05,110
yeah uh video

3730
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,080
shows

3731
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:08,399
the solicitor harry harris well emil

3732
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:18,070
oh yeah the police officers yeah police

3733
02:23:21,750 --> 02:23:20,240
officers yeah yeah rotated on its own

3734
02:23:23,270 --> 02:23:21,760
after this yeah yeah

3735
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:23,280
described there

3736
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:26,240
i saw exactly the same object in cardiff

3737
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:28,319
december 2005

3738
02:23:31,750 --> 02:23:29,840
well are you going to take my card and

3739
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:31,760
email me about that fill in a report

3740
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:33,439
form because i do civilian report forms

3741
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:34,319
as well

3742
02:23:37,270 --> 02:23:36,319
so take a cab email me and start a

3743
02:23:38,630 --> 02:23:37,280
dialogue

3744
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:38,640
there are always people who come to

3745
02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:40,479
lectures

3746
02:23:44,790 --> 02:23:42,080
as definitely it sounds these kind of

3747
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:44,800
stories are all over the place

3748
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:47,280
i went to book a lecture

3749
02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:48,640
uh theater

3750
02:23:52,790 --> 02:23:51,280
at the civic hall in home firth

3751
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:52,800
for a conference it was the first time i

3752
02:23:57,429 --> 02:23:55,680
went in and i saw the caretaker lady

3753
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:57,439
and i said uh you're gonna think this is

3754
02:24:02,790 --> 02:23:58,960
a bit strange but i wanna book a lecture

3755
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:02,800
for ufos oh no i've seen one myself

3756
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:04,640
and straight where people regale into a

3757
02:24:07,750 --> 02:24:05,760
story

3758
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:07,760
and then she said hey my husband saw one

3759
02:24:11,830 --> 02:24:10,960
as well coming over the hills

3760
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:11,840
and

3761
02:24:15,270 --> 02:24:12,960
straight away you're getting all these

3762
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:15,280
anecdotes now these anecdotes

3763
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:16,560
are um

3764
02:24:20,469 --> 02:24:18,560
tremendously important because they're

3765
02:24:22,150 --> 02:24:20,479
not just describing lights in the sky

3766
02:24:25,349 --> 02:24:22,160
the caretaker actually said that when

3767
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:25,359
she was a girl 15 16 years old she was

3768
02:24:29,110 --> 02:24:27,280
outside on the doorstep

3769
02:24:30,870 --> 02:24:29,120
having a cheeky cigarette it's a great

3770
02:24:32,870 --> 02:24:30,880
way to remember stuff right cheeky

3771
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:32,880
cigarette on the doorstep there's

3772
02:24:39,990 --> 02:24:37,040
daylight and she says this ball of light

3773
02:24:41,750 --> 02:24:40,000
came over the rooftops

3774
02:24:45,910 --> 02:24:41,760
stopped

3775
02:24:47,030 --> 02:24:45,920
and it was on the opposite side of the

3776
02:24:49,750 --> 02:24:47,040
street

3777
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:49,760
literally just 50 feet away and then it

3778
02:24:53,750 --> 02:24:51,760
suddenly went straight

3779
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:53,760
now why is she gonna make up a story

3780
02:24:56,469 --> 02:24:54,960
like that

3781
02:24:58,790 --> 02:24:56,479
she didn't

3782
02:25:01,910 --> 02:24:58,800
and i get so many of these stories so

3783
02:25:04,070 --> 02:25:01,920
these anecdotes are real and but my

3784
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:04,080
favorite case is the pilot cases because

3785
02:25:08,309 --> 02:25:06,720
they just prove it in one if a pilot in

3786
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:08,319
broad daylight doesn't know what he's

3787
02:25:13,670 --> 02:25:10,560
chasing what he's looking at i mean are

3788
02:25:15,190 --> 02:25:13,680
you aware that pilots have fired on ufos

3789
02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:15,200
in broad daylight

3790
02:25:19,750 --> 02:25:17,120
and nothing's happened

3791
02:25:23,590 --> 02:25:19,760
there's a case uh i met the pilot called

3792
02:25:25,910 --> 02:25:23,600
colonel oscar santa maria peruvian pilot

3793
02:25:28,389 --> 02:25:25,920
gone on the record on video

3794
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:28,399
all the documents prove it

3795
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:31,600
and basically in 1980 in daylight he is

3796
02:25:38,230 --> 02:25:34,800
sent up to intercept a daylight

3797
02:25:40,070 --> 02:25:38,240
radar confirmed ufo that's just hovering

3798
02:25:42,309 --> 02:25:40,080
so he sent up like many of these other

3799
02:25:44,230 --> 02:25:42,319
cases and this is his approach and he's

3800
02:25:45,910 --> 02:25:44,240
told to shoot but what he thought was a

3801
02:25:48,469 --> 02:25:45,920
balloon because it looked like a balloon

3802
02:25:50,710 --> 02:25:48,479
chip a round sphere i thought it was a

3803
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:50,720
blue and he's told to shoot at it with

3804
02:25:55,349 --> 02:25:53,040
his machine gun count so he does he

3805
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:55,359
shoots off about 64 rounds

3806
02:25:58,469 --> 02:25:57,200
and he sees the bullets the tracer hit

3807
02:25:59,830 --> 02:25:58,479
this object

3808
02:26:02,550 --> 02:25:59,840
just absorbed

3809
02:26:04,870 --> 02:26:02,560
he's thinking he's expected to blow up

3810
02:26:07,510 --> 02:26:04,880
but he doesn't it then just goes

3811
02:26:09,190 --> 02:26:07,520
straight up 10 000 feet in about three

3812
02:26:11,750 --> 02:26:09,200
seconds

3813
02:26:12,710 --> 02:26:11,760
just jumps straight up not something we

3814
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:12,720
can do

3815
02:26:16,469 --> 02:26:15,280
so he has to get his afterburner on

3816
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:16,479
get up there

3817
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:19,120
to get on another run at it and just as

3818
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:21,680
he's approaching his run again it goes

3819
02:26:24,550 --> 02:26:23,120
another ten thousand feet in three

3820
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:24,560
seconds

3821
02:26:28,550 --> 02:26:26,960
and it eventually does this three times

3822
02:26:31,110 --> 02:26:28,560
taking it beyond the flight ceiling of

3823
02:26:33,270 --> 02:26:31,120
his aircraft

3824
02:26:34,790 --> 02:26:33,280
70 80 000 feet

3825
02:26:37,510 --> 02:26:34,800
gentlemen there

3826
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:37,520
why do you think ufos crash if they're

3827
02:26:41,990 --> 02:26:39,840
so invaluable no idea

3828
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:42,000
no idea it's a good question because it

3829
02:26:50,950 --> 02:26:43,200
is

3830
02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:50,960
certainly the early crashes

3831
02:26:56,150 --> 02:26:53,280
they think that was an anomaly or side

3832
02:26:58,630 --> 02:26:56,160
effect of our radar

3833
02:27:00,230 --> 02:26:58,640
that somehow affected the gravitational

3834
02:27:02,550 --> 02:27:00,240
force that's all that they're

3835
02:27:03,910 --> 02:27:02,560
speculating in the public domain

3836
02:27:04,630 --> 02:27:03,920
we don't know

3837
02:27:06,630 --> 02:27:04,640
in

3838
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:06,640
some people whispers have said that

3839
02:27:10,630 --> 02:27:09,200
there was the radar somehow affected the

3840
02:27:12,550 --> 02:27:10,640
guidance system

3841
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:12,560
of the propulsion system on the ufo

3842
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:13,920
because we thought think that they're

3843
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:16,479
using engines in a conventional sense we

3844
02:27:20,550 --> 02:27:18,000
think that they can do these high-speed

3845
02:27:22,309 --> 02:27:20,560
maneuvers because their pull their

3846
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:22,319
propulsion system is based on

3847
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:24,800
anti-gravity yeah they create a force

3848
02:27:28,830 --> 02:27:27,280
field around the edge of the craft so

3849
02:27:30,950 --> 02:27:28,840
therefore

3850
02:27:32,710 --> 02:27:30,960
inside we're just like flying around at

3851
02:27:34,710 --> 02:27:32,720
a million miles an hour and we can do a

3852
02:27:36,389 --> 02:27:34,720
right angle turn but there's no inertia

3853
02:27:38,389 --> 02:27:36,399
because it's creating its own

3854
02:27:39,830 --> 02:27:38,399
gravitational force

3855
02:27:40,790 --> 02:27:39,840
so wherever it goes you're not affected

3856
02:27:42,630 --> 02:27:40,800
by it

3857
02:27:44,389 --> 02:27:42,640
that's what they think and this is why

3858
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:44,399
they there is this talk about

3859
02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:46,479
free energy and another reason why it's

3860
02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:47,680
secret

3861
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:49,840
because

3862
02:27:53,429 --> 02:27:51,200
does the government

3863
02:27:54,870 --> 02:27:53,439
i mean people say to me well why don't i

3864
02:27:56,389 --> 02:27:54,880
land on the white house law and well the

3865
02:27:58,550 --> 02:27:56,399
obvious answer is if they did they

3866
02:28:01,030 --> 02:27:58,560
probably get shot

3867
02:28:02,550 --> 02:28:01,040
what you've got to realize is that

3868
02:28:03,590 --> 02:28:02,560
while science

3869
02:28:05,349 --> 02:28:03,600
is quite

3870
02:28:06,870 --> 02:28:05,359
i think arrogant

3871
02:28:08,550 --> 02:28:06,880
many scientists will say we're the only

3872
02:28:10,469 --> 02:28:08,560
sentient beings blah blah blah that was

3873
02:28:12,389 --> 02:28:10,479
a big argument for many many years

3874
02:28:13,590 --> 02:28:12,399
they're moving away from that now but

3875
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:13,600
basically

3876
02:28:16,950 --> 02:28:15,280
on the scheme of things i think we're

3877
02:28:19,670 --> 02:28:16,960
like an ant on the ground in

3878
02:28:21,270 --> 02:28:19,680
technological terms in development terms

3879
02:28:22,870 --> 02:28:21,280
as to what they are who might be a

3880
02:28:24,230 --> 02:28:22,880
millionaires ahead of us we would be

3881
02:28:26,630 --> 02:28:24,240
like we won't talk to the ant on the

3882
02:28:29,429 --> 02:28:26,640
ground will we because the gulf in

3883
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:29,439
intelligence we would say was too great

3884
02:28:33,510 --> 02:28:31,840
or if you know could you talk about it

3885
02:28:35,510 --> 02:28:33,520
it sounds daft but if you've got

3886
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:35,520
something that's so advanced

3887
02:28:38,710 --> 02:28:37,280
i think we're very

3888
02:28:40,710 --> 02:28:38,720
primitive

3889
02:28:42,309 --> 02:28:40,720
and we're very well like

3890
02:28:43,429 --> 02:28:42,319
and we do most of the world is in

3891
02:28:45,030 --> 02:28:43,439
turmoil

3892
02:28:45,990 --> 02:28:45,040
we kill each other when we could feed

3893
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:46,000
everybody

3894
02:28:51,429 --> 02:28:48,479
we you know gil the top two percent or

3895
02:28:53,030 --> 02:28:51,439
is it one percent top two percent own

3896
02:28:55,349 --> 02:28:53,040
most of the world

3897
02:28:57,270 --> 02:28:55,359
over the 98 that go

3898
02:28:59,030 --> 02:28:57,280
that's not right we could do something

3899
02:29:01,349 --> 02:28:59,040
about that but we don't

3900
02:29:03,270 --> 02:29:01,359
it's a whole mess so i think we're very

3901
02:29:04,950 --> 02:29:03,280
probably very good reasons why they they

3902
02:29:06,309 --> 02:29:04,960
mostly surveilled us

3903
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:06,319
i think we're very primitive with that

3904
02:29:10,790 --> 02:29:09,200
pond life i think actually i disagree

3905
02:29:11,990 --> 02:29:10,800
with that welcome

3906
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:12,000
what's up there

3907
02:29:14,550 --> 02:29:12,800
well

3908
02:29:18,150 --> 02:29:14,560
i was talking about it today with a

3909
02:29:20,830 --> 02:29:18,160
friend i was reviewing a book i'd read

3910
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:20,840
childhood zen by arthur c clarke

3911
02:29:24,710 --> 02:29:22,800
okay and he's a skeptic by the way

3912
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:24,720
you're for skeptic

3913
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:27,120
yep no problem with that no

3914
02:29:34,070 --> 02:29:31,280
um the story goes much what you said at

3915
02:29:37,750 --> 02:29:34,080
the end it's a twist that we are the

3916
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,760
intelligence we are the most developed

3917
02:29:41,429 --> 02:29:39,840
aspect

3918
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:41,439
i think that was a product of his

3919
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:44,080
generation well actually i kind of agree

3920
02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:46,240
that i think we are i think the aliens

3921
02:29:49,750 --> 02:29:47,760
are not

3922
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:49,760
i guess we'll never know oh i think we

3923
02:29:54,870 --> 02:29:52,560
will soon well i hope so

3924
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:54,880
we'll put it this way it is coming

3925
02:30:00,070 --> 02:29:58,000
and this is what i say about the 2033

3926
02:30:01,429 --> 02:30:00,080
it's coming yeah i i don't i do agree

3927
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:01,439
with that and

3928
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:03,439
mainstream are going to have to catch up

3929
02:30:07,110 --> 02:30:05,200
and readdress how they look at this

3930
02:30:08,550 --> 02:30:07,120
reevaluate how they look at this subject

3931
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:08,560
because they're gonna have to confront

3932
02:30:14,469 --> 02:30:11,280
contact and we are gonna be the first

3933
02:30:16,710 --> 02:30:14,479
people in official history

3934
02:30:18,309 --> 02:30:16,720
official history

3935
02:30:19,429 --> 02:30:18,319
that deal with contact it's going to

3936
02:30:21,510 --> 02:30:19,439
happen

3937
02:30:23,750 --> 02:30:21,520
in many of our lifetimes for the first

3938
02:30:25,750 --> 02:30:23,760
time ever official

3939
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:25,760
and they always say that

3940
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:27,600
it will be the biggest

3941
02:30:30,830 --> 02:30:29,200
step for mankind

3942
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:30,840
contact with other

3943
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:33,920
species well that goes on about um the

3944
02:30:37,590 --> 02:30:36,160
human species i was talking to somebody

3945
02:30:39,590 --> 02:30:37,600
the other day and they were talking

3946
02:30:41,349 --> 02:30:39,600
about aliens being here

3947
02:30:44,150 --> 02:30:41,359
and they said that they hear but they're

3948
02:30:46,630 --> 02:30:44,160
not allowed to interfere with us

3949
02:30:49,110 --> 02:30:46,640
well i guess this goes because the

3950
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:49,120
the process the human body

3951
02:30:53,510 --> 02:30:51,600
the the aliens are not changing i guess

3952
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:53,520
it's only the human bodies and we're

3953
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:55,200
going to go through this process

3954
02:31:02,230 --> 02:30:59,040
ourselves the the on the abduction side

3955
02:31:04,070 --> 02:31:02,240
there are many accounts that um

3956
02:31:06,230 --> 02:31:04,080
there's a lot of aspects to it it's very

3957
02:31:08,150 --> 02:31:06,240
complicated but there would certainly

3958
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:08,160
appear to be

3959
02:31:11,030 --> 02:31:08,960
some

3960
02:31:13,030 --> 02:31:11,040
alien species are interested in

3961
02:31:16,550 --> 02:31:13,040
reproductive organs

3962
02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:16,560
hybridization fetuses being removed from

3963
02:31:21,190 --> 02:31:18,880
abductees and then later on being

3964
02:31:24,230 --> 02:31:21,200
reunited with them every few years

3965
02:31:26,309 --> 02:31:24,240
when they see these half human so that

3966
02:31:27,429 --> 02:31:26,319
is common all around the world even in

3967
02:31:29,830 --> 02:31:27,439
third world

3968
02:31:32,710 --> 02:31:29,840
where there's no access to media so this

3969
02:31:34,070 --> 02:31:32,720
is real we can't make it up

3970
02:31:35,750 --> 02:31:34,080
you know how can somebody in the middle

3971
02:31:40,389 --> 02:31:35,760
of the amazon

3972
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:40,399
with no access to tv radio newspapers

3973
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:43,120
effectively a third world person recount

3974
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:44,160
the same

3975
02:31:48,309 --> 02:31:46,240
event of being taken on board something

3976
02:31:51,030 --> 02:31:48,319
and being medically examined where do

3977
02:31:53,349 --> 02:31:51,040
they get that infrastructure from

3978
02:32:08,710 --> 02:31:53,359
especially

3979
02:32:15,990 --> 02:32:12,389
can be defined in one particular

3980
02:32:26,389 --> 02:32:17,990
right

3981
02:32:28,070 --> 02:32:26,399
redness from forest

3982
02:32:29,270 --> 02:32:28,080
in essence when you look at the evidence

3983
02:32:31,030 --> 02:32:29,280
randalls from forest the fact that it's

3984
02:32:33,670 --> 02:32:31,040
over three days don't matter

3985
02:32:34,870 --> 02:32:33,680
i cut to the chase of evidence straight

3986
02:32:37,590 --> 02:32:34,880
away

3987
02:32:39,110 --> 02:32:37,600
it all hinges on whether it's ufos or

3988
02:32:42,309 --> 02:32:39,120
not

3989
02:32:46,070 --> 02:32:42,319
on one aspect

3990
02:32:47,750 --> 02:32:46,080
does colonel holt on the third night

3991
02:32:49,590 --> 02:32:47,760
with his four other

3992
02:32:50,870 --> 02:32:49,600
officers a lieutenant and three

3993
02:32:52,710 --> 02:32:50,880
sergeants

3994
02:32:55,270 --> 02:32:52,720
are they in a field

3995
02:32:57,110 --> 02:32:55,280
when an object comes towards them

3996
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:57,120
stops above their heads at a thousand

3997
02:33:01,750 --> 02:32:59,840
feet and casts down a laser beam

3998
02:33:03,990 --> 02:33:01,760
at their feet

3999
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:04,000
there's only two alternatives

4000
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:06,479
either holt and his team

4001
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:11,429
or it happened

4002
02:33:15,670 --> 02:33:13,200
and if it happened

4003
02:33:17,910 --> 02:33:15,680
it ain't a lighthouse

4004
02:33:20,469 --> 02:33:17,920
because what white house and stop above

4005
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:20,479
your head and put a beam down

4006
02:33:24,550 --> 02:33:22,560
so you just take one little piece of it

4007
02:33:26,309 --> 02:33:24,560
and the lighthouse theory is evaporated

4008
02:33:28,309 --> 02:33:26,319
but let me just tell you a side effect

4009
02:33:29,270 --> 02:33:28,319
of this i've done many documentaries

4010
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,280
over the years

4011
02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:31,439
some with terrestrial tvs like channel 4

4012
02:33:36,389 --> 02:33:34,080
channel 5 right the last two i've got

4013
02:33:37,670 --> 02:33:36,399
involved in channel 4 and channel 5 i

4014
02:33:39,190 --> 02:33:37,680
said to them

4015
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:39,200
you've not got a very good record of

4016
02:33:43,190 --> 02:33:41,840
doing decent documentaries on ufos

4017
02:33:44,710 --> 02:33:43,200
and they go oh yeah yeah now we're

4018
02:33:46,710 --> 02:33:44,720
serious about this one we're going to

4019
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:46,720
tell you oh great okay i said i'll tell

4020
02:33:53,190 --> 02:33:48,479
you i'll give you a challenge

4021
02:33:55,590 --> 02:33:53,200
i said i will give you a world exclusive

4022
02:33:57,590 --> 02:33:55,600
but i'm saying to you you will not use

4023
02:33:59,910 --> 02:33:57,600
it in the final edit

4024
02:34:01,990 --> 02:33:59,920
well we will we will we will

4025
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:02,000
i said here's the challenge then i'm

4026
02:34:07,110 --> 02:34:04,560
going to show you the field

4027
02:34:09,990 --> 02:34:07,120
where i went with colonel holt i've

4028
02:34:11,670 --> 02:34:10,000
identified the field nobody else has

4029
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:11,680
this is the field where the bean came

4030
02:34:16,550 --> 02:34:14,319
down at his feet i'll take you to that

4031
02:34:18,550 --> 02:34:16,560
location it's never been shown in any

4032
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:18,560
documentary are you interested oh yeah

4033
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:20,240
yeah we're interested

4034
02:34:24,230 --> 02:34:22,160
should we go film it

4035
02:34:25,510 --> 02:34:24,240
is it in the final edit

4036
02:34:28,309 --> 02:34:25,520
no

4037
02:34:31,510 --> 02:34:28,319
who wins the bet me why

4038
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:31,520
clever editing because in the final bit

4039
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:33,120
the presenter goes

4040
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:34,160
so

4041
02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:36,960
multiple knights multiple witnesses was

4042
02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:38,399
it a ufo

4043
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:44,870
they could not have used that open-ended

4044
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:46,240
lighthouse bit

4045
02:34:53,110 --> 02:34:48,560
if they'd have included that sequence

4046
02:34:58,230 --> 02:34:55,750
well that's the whole point

4047
02:35:00,870 --> 02:34:58,240
is the thing is hulk used to take people

4048
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:00,880
out to the white house for a visit

4049
02:35:05,190 --> 02:35:03,120
so he knew where it was and in reality

4050
02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:05,200
in the weapons storage area

4051
02:35:09,429 --> 02:35:06,720
which i worked on two of them at

4052
02:35:12,389 --> 02:35:09,439
huntington and suffolk same county and

4053
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:12,399
in library in what was then west germany

4054
02:35:16,389 --> 02:35:14,080
you have

4055
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:16,399
the weapon storage area of the bunkers

4056
02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:18,160
and in the middle of it or at one end of

4057
02:35:25,670 --> 02:35:21,439
it there is at least one tower

4058
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:25,680
that's manned 24 7 365 years

4059
02:35:31,190 --> 02:35:29,200
the site is about 38 to 48 30 to 40

4060
02:35:33,750 --> 02:35:31,200
people on shift at any one time that

4061
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:33,760
proves the numbers alone reynolds

4062
02:35:39,110 --> 02:35:36,479
because a conventional bomb dump 102

4063
02:35:43,190 --> 02:35:39,120
yeah guards

4064
02:35:46,550 --> 02:35:43,200
nuclear weapons garden 365 24 7

4065
02:35:47,750 --> 02:35:46,560
38 30 to 40 per shift

4066
02:35:50,790 --> 02:35:47,760
all right

4067
02:35:53,429 --> 02:35:50,800
so the numbers were mixed up but the

4068
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:53,439
tower they have one tower that's higher

4069
02:35:58,070 --> 02:35:55,520
that's about 80 feet high

4070
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:58,080
and it's purposely higher so that has a

4071
02:36:02,389 --> 02:36:00,240
full 360

4072
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:02,399
for the guy in the towel and in the top

4073
02:36:07,590 --> 02:36:04,319
of the tower they have a miniature

4074
02:36:12,070 --> 02:36:07,600
layout of the entire site like a model

4075
02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:12,080
and it has all the alarm settings

4076
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:14,720
that can be triggered by rabbits

4077
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:16,720
because it's the microwave

4078
02:36:20,150 --> 02:36:18,319
right because they have an outer sterile

4079
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,160
fence in the inner front

4080
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:22,399
and it's microwaved so if anybody tries

4081
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:24,080
to break through the fence it triggers

4082
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:26,960
an alarm the alarm is triggered on this

4083
02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:29,120
big board so the guy in the top of the

4084
02:36:33,590 --> 02:36:31,280
tower is 80 feet the trees are not

4085
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:33,600
allowed to go more than 40 feet

4086
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:37,200
so he gets the perspective of 360. so

4087
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:39,280
the guy in the tower

4088
02:36:43,349 --> 02:36:41,120
knows where the offered left lighthouse